Remap Euro 6 Ducato

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I have had my Ducato based camper, 6.4m PVC, for nearly 6 months now and having given it a fair crack of the whip feel it could be improved with a remap. At 70 it romps up the long French and German inclines on their motorways and seems very happy at around 2500rpm, however, at typical single carriage speeds of 55/60 it is gutless and soon loses speed on steep inclines as the power doesn't seem to kick in until well above 2000rpm. So my question is, has any one had a successful remap of the 130 euro6 fiat specifically with the aim of getting the power to cut in at lower revs, as my old Euro 5 did,and without losing the very acceptable 34 mpg?
 
Watching with interest mines the same needs a bit more torque
 
Remapping you can have the power band changed to give more torque in the middle. Remember that this will change the top end power. Better to have the pump calibrated . Really you need to have a word with a tuner who has a rolling road and a dyno this would be my option. If you can find one with a big enough garage to accommodate the van.
 
We had a Steinbauer Power Module fitted to ours. If I understand correctly it gives extra torque when required. It drives a lot better, and is no longer hard work when a bit extra push is needed. We had it fitted by Mick Leightley.
 
Why do Fiat use different turbos etc on the 130 and 150BHP if a simple remap would do the job?
Either way, only a fully custom rolling road remap is worth doing. Plus you can bin your warranty if you remap.

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Perhaps the new Fiat Adblue engine will be better! The Ford Panther engine @ 170bhp is superb.
 
Say goodbye to your fiat warranties if you do
 
Unfortunately I don't think the Ducato clutch is up to it.
35,000 miles could be life even at 130 hp
 
You don't say how many miles you have done, the Euro 6 needs at least 10,000 miles on it before it starts pulling well even better at 20k.

I have the 2.3 150, at first I though it was very sluggish compared to my previous Euro 5+. After 4k it started to get better and was running well at 10k. Now 2½ years old and 23k on it definitely running even better now.

Before remapping I would wait until you have done at least 10k preferably 20k then see how it's running. Bear in mind Fiat don't consider them run in until 15k.
 
I have had my Ducato based camper, 6.4m PVC, for nearly 6 months now and having given it a fair crack of the whip feel it could be improved with a remap. At 70 it romps up the long French and German inclines on their motorways and seems very happy at around 2500rpm, however, at typical single carriage speeds of 55/60 it is gutless and soon loses speed on steep inclines as the power doesn't seem to kick in until well above 2000rpm. So my question is, has any one had a successful remap of the 130 euro6 fiat specifically with the aim of getting the power to cut in at lower revs, as my old Euro 5 did,and without losing the very acceptable 34 mpg?
Send me a message I have the answer for you.

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My 2012 130 hp Ducato is a rocket ship since it's past 50k. It hits a power band now at 3.500rpm and It read 40mpg on a 100 miles trip through France last month. If you can wait that long?
Do you really need more?
 
Remaps dont really have much effect on torque build at low RPM eg below about 2000 rpm that is more a factor of turbo characteristic , thats why you have twin turbo systems on some engines. If you are travelling at low rpm you can change down a gear and get about a 500rpm rise in revs where the engine will work more efficiently .
 
You don't say how many miles you have done, the Euro 6 needs at least 10,000 miles on it before it starts pulling well even better at 20k.

I have the 2.3 150, at first I though it was very sluggish compared to my previous Euro 5+. After 4k it started to get better and was running well at 10k. Now 2½ years old and 23k on it definitely running even better now.

Before remapping I would wait until you have done at least 10k preferably 20k then see how it's running. Bear in mind Fiat don't consider them run in until 15k.
6 months old and 7500 miles so a title bit to go before I hit the 10k, although my previous euro5 pulled well at low speeds in high gear right from the start.
 
My 2012 130 hp Ducato is a rocket ship since it's past 50k. It hits a power band now at 3.500rpm and It read 40mpg on a 100 miles trip through France last month. If you can wait that long?
Do you really need more?
My previous euro5 was the same
 
Remaps dont really have much effect on torque build at low RPM eg below about 2000 rpm that is more a factor of turbo characteristic , thats why you have twin turbo systems on some engines. If you are travelling at low rpm you can change down a gear and get about a 500rpm rise in revs where the engine will work more efficiently .
Not a case of you can change down a gear, more of a case of you have no choice. I obviously don't labour the engine in any gear and quickly got to know when down changes were inevitable, I can manage what I've got very well, what I am seeking to do is to make it easier as indeed my previous euro5 was.

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Send me a message I have the answer for you.
Thanks, will do when I get back tomorrow, happily slipping up and down the gear box in a very wet Cornwall at the moment
 
Lada hope this is useful to you, and save you some time in making your decision.
From reading so many threads on this re-map question, I have come to the following conclusions.
1. It will invalidate your Fiat warranty, and you have 18 months maybe longer left on it, so I would say dont do it yet.
2.It also depends on whether the MH is a coachbuilt or a PVC or even Tag axle, as you would expect a PVC is usualy smaller, narrower, and maybe more aerodynamic.
3.Depends also on the running weight of the van, its a no brainer that one sub 3500KG's will go up hills better and use less fuel than a 4200, 4500, 5000plus
4. Engine choice is vital for different weights as Turbo's are different on 130/150 engines
5. The engines do need a longer run in time, you will feel the improvement as you clock up the miles, 10K minimum, improving thereafter.
6.Use the van regularly, dont let it sit for months between trips, give it a good long run getting engine up to temp, through the entire rev range and gears.
7. Select a lower gear like 5th on long inclines, see how much fuel you will save as the engine is not labouring as much, I even go down to 4th when required on steeper longer inclines.
8. Regular servicing by someone you trust, although thats not always easy.

If I have missed anything please let me know folks, we are all still learning after all.
Les
 
Premium grade diesel's main difference is in cleaning the soot the ridiculous EGR sends into the air admission. That is why I use it. Don't expect more power from using premium diesel.

Thank you but that's not quite true. With the fear of starting an off topic thread there are mainly 2 grades of fuel additives. One is detergent based, to clean the engine components and another enhances combustion so the more you pay the better the performance. If fuel retailers say their premium product gives better performance then it will - at a price.

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I have had my Ducato based camper, 6.4m PVC, for nearly 6 months now and having given it a fair crack of the whip feel it could be improved with a remap. At 70 it romps up the long French and German inclines on their motorways and seems very happy at around 2500rpm, however, at typical single carriage speeds of 55/60 it is gutless and soon loses speed on steep inclines as the power doesn't seem to kick in until well above 2000rpm. So my question is, has any one had a successful remap of the 130 euro6 fiat specifically with the aim of getting the power to cut in at lower revs, as my old Euro 5 did,and without losing the very acceptable 34 mpg?
Kiss goodbye to your warranty!
 
1. It will invalidate your Fiat warranty, and you have 18 months maybe longer left on it, so I would say dont do it yet.

This is frequently quoted but I wonder how they would ever know, unless the reported fault required actually working on the engine map. I'd think it extremley unlikely that the engine mapping would be checked if the reported fault was on the steering, brakes, etc.

Has anyone ever had a warranty issue declined due to engine mapping?

Mick
 
Premium grade diesel's main difference is in cleaning the soot the ridiculous EGR sends into the air admission. That is why I use it. Don't expect more power from using premium diesel.
Thank you but that's not quite true. With the fear of starting an off topic thread there are mainly 2 grades of fuel additives. One is detergent based, to clean the engine components and another enhances combustion so the more you pay the better the performance. If fuel retailers say their premium product gives better performance then it will - at a price.

Maybe I should have emphasized the word "main" in my post :) "Main" does not mean "only", unless my superficial knowledge of English is failing me again.

I have never felt my car having stronger accelerations with premium diesel. I can't say I notice a difference in consumption. A Belgian car magazine has made a comparative test on the cleaning aspect and have shown striking differences between a car using normal diesel and the same car using premium grade diesel (Formula, Excellium, whatever). The premium grade does keep the engine pretty clean.
 
Plus as its the Fiat non adblue Euro6 you may find it causes emission issues when taking an MOT and it may damage the DPF if fueling is not as the emission system expects.
 
This is frequently quoted but I wonder how they would ever know, unless the reported fault required actually working on the engine map. I'd think it extremley unlikely that the engine mapping would be checked if the reported fault was on the steering, brakes, etc.

Has anyone ever had a warranty issue declined due to engine mapping?

Mick

Would you want to run the risk?

On the other hand it has been reported that the police can check in case of a road accident. If your vehicle specs are different to what is written in the certificate of comformity (hence its name), you can be in serious trouble.

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This is frequently quoted but I wonder how they would ever know, unless the reported fault required actually working on the engine map. I'd think it extremley unlikely that the engine mapping would be checked if the reported fault was on the steering, brakes, etc.

Has anyone ever had a warranty issue declined due to engine mapping?

Mick
We have..... Someone complains about the engine either not running or software updates, we plug it in and bingo!
 
When i had my motorhome remapped by Quantum the engineer told me the remap was invisible even if it was plugged into mercedes diagnostic computer, dont know if its true.
 
Someone complains about the engine either not running or software updates, we plug it in and bingo!

The point I was making was for non engine related problems:
I'd think it extremley unlikely that the engine mapping would be checked if the reported fault was on the steering, brakes, etc.

On the other hand it has been reported that the police can check in case of a road accident. If your vehicle specs are different to what is written in the certificate of comformity (hence its name), you can be in serious trouble.

Not sure, however if you had notified your insurance provider as a modification why would the police have an issue? Bit like up rating the vehicle weight, doesn't comply with CoC any longer however plate and insurance are happy :)

Mick
 
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The point I was making was for non engine related problems:




Not sure, however if you had notified your insurance provider as a modification why would the police have an issue? Bit like up rating the vehicle weight, doesn't comply with CoC any longer however plate and insurance are happy :)

Mick
However get an engine problem when under warranty and that becomes an expensive problem for you!

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