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Lavender1

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Hello everyone, new to site and took delivery of a Kingham yesterday. Bought through a broker so not much back up! A few questions I would like answers to. There is a tv bracket on side of wardrobe overlooking the bed. I have my 19 inch tv up and now I cannot lift up the end of bed to access storage? I was told, if I push the bed back so the end raises, I will not be able to lift the storage end up. Is there an answer?
there is a vent at the front as you go in. When we tried heating, no air blowing through. The broker told me it only discharges warm air when the engine is running?
on the bed, what bedding do you use. A double looks too big and a single too small. How do you get a sheet on🤔?
we are wanting to put a tow bar on back, to carry our two electric bikes, with a van swing so as we can easily access rear doors. Anyone done this? The total of tow bar, bikes and swing arm comes to about 100kgs. So know we have to watch payload unless we both try and get our C1 licences back.
I’m sure we will need loads more advice. We have always had bigger coach built vans and racking our brains as to where we put dressing gowns, shoes etc. Nowhere for a rubbish bin.
any help, gratefully received.
 

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Hello and :welco: can't answer your specific questions re your Kingham, as don't know the layout, but as to the down sizing, we went from an A class to a PVC so had to drastically re-think what we took away and quite frankly don't miss all the "stuff" we leave at home. As to bedding, we have had single sleeping bags, double sleeping bag, but we find a duvet is the most comfortable , for us anyway. Overall even though space is at a premium, the convenience of a PVC over an A class is worth the compromise.

PS re the air vent, is that not an air intake for the heater if memory serves me well Autosleepers use Whale blown air heating in their pvc's.
 
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Tv. You need a removable bracket to be able to lift bed. AS sell one that’s an inverted V to which the tv part slots onto.
Black vent at front between seats is intake. You’ll find heating very much rear bias. Truma is under bed so keeps you warm at night, we set temp to 11 to keep rear temps bearable
Fitted sheets are available from specialist suppliers. We got ours at a show.
Kingham is on fiat heavy chassis so bikes shouldn’t overload axle. We use an Altera sliding rack. But watch overall payload, they’re heavy conversions.
Try a small freestanding bin on end of unit by sliding door
 

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We bought the fitted sheets and duvet/duvet covers for the bed as we also ran into problems with conventional bedding.

I can’t answer re the vent, I thought it was a heating duct for the cab heating so that while driving with the heating on, some went to the back.

later Kinghams (2021 certainly) have Whale heating/hot water system, these live under the bed and all intakes etc are there, they’re not connected in any way to the black vent between the seats if you’ve got Whale fitted.

When we living in are in the van (as opposed to driving), shoes etc are chucked in the cab area to keep them out of the way. Otherwise we tend to put them in the overhead bit where the free standing table lives, along with our waterproof coats.

bin wise we ended up getting a narrow plastic bin that fits in the bathroom between the toilet and the wall, on the right hand side as you look at it. And as that’s a bit of a pain, we keep a small counter top bin (intended for teabags etc, so maybe 6 inches high and 4 inches diameter) on the work surface near the sink. So small bits go in there then into to main bin, and bigger bits of rubbish go straight to the bigger bin.

we keep our dressing gowns in the lockers above the bed or are wearing them.

I hope you enjoy your new van!
 
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Hello everyone, new to site and took delivery of a Kingham yesterday. Bought through a broker so not much back up! A few questions I would like answers to. There is a tv bracket on side of wardrobe overlooking the bed. I have my 19 inch tv up and now I cannot lift up the end of bed to access storage? I was told, if I push the bed back so the end raises, I will not be able to lift the storage end up. Is there an answer?
there is a vent at the front as you go in. When we tried heating, no air blowing through. The broker told me it only discharges warm air when the engine is running?
on the bed, what bedding do you use. A double looks too big and a single too small. How do you get a sheet on🤔?
we are wanting to put a tow bar on back, to carry our two electric bikes, with a van swing so as we can easily access rear doors. Anyone done this? The total of tow bar, bikes and swing arm comes to about 100kgs. So know we have to watch payload unless we both try and get our C1 licences back.
I’m sure we will need loads more advice. We have always had bigger coach built vans and racking our brains as to where we put dressing gowns, shoes etc. Nowhere for a rubbish bin.
any help, gratefully received.
I have a van swing fitted to my towbar on a 6.4m Ducato. It works great and we can get both doors open when the swing is fully swung... You have 100kg nose weight on the Ducato, however the towbar mounted van swing has a 60kg max limit : this includes your bikes and the bike rack. My rack is 17kg so it’s tight to get 2 ebikes on and stay within the limit. We can only do this by taking the batteries and every other removable item off, even then we are bang on the limit.

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Hello everyone, new to site and took delivery of a Kingham yesterday. Bought through a broker so not much back up! A few questions I would like answers to. There is a tv bracket on side of wardrobe overlooking the bed. I have my 19 inch tv up and now I cannot lift up the end of bed to access storage? I was told, if I push the bed back so the end raises, I will not be able to lift the storage end up. Is there an answer?
there is a vent at the front as you go in. When we tried heating, no air blowing through. The broker told me it only discharges warm air when the engine is running?
on the bed, what bedding do you use. A double looks too big and a single too small. How do you get a sheet on🤔?
we are wanting to put a tow bar on back, to carry our two electric bikes, with a van swing so as we can easily access rear doors. Anyone done this? The total of tow bar, bikes and swing arm comes to about 100kgs. So know we have to watch payload unless we both try and get our C1 licences back.
I’m sure we will need loads more advice. We have always had bigger coach built vans and racking our brains as to where we put dressing gowns, shoes etc. Nowhere for a rubbish bin.
any help, gratefully received.
Welcome.
Warm air when the engines running? Why would you leave the engine running just to get warm? 🤔
Not sure about hanging 100kgs on the back of what is essentially a caravan, is there plenty of structural strength back there?
YouTube might be your friend.
Good luck with your new acquisition 👍
 
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Lavender1

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Tv. You need a removable bracket to be able to lift bed. AS sell one that’s an inverted V to which the tv part slots onto.
Black vent at front between seats is intake. You’ll find heating very much rear bias. Truma is under bed so keeps you warm at night, we set temp to 11 to keep rear temps bearable
Fitted sheets are available from specialist suppliers. We got ours at a show.
Kingham is on fiat heavy chassis so bikes shouldn’t overload axle. We use an Altera sliding rack. But watch overall payload, they’re heavy conversions.
Try a small freestanding bin on end of unit by sliding door
Thank you for that. Not sure what you mean by the front vent being “intake”.
 
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Lavender1

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Welcome.
Warm air when the engines running? Why would you leave the engine running just to get warm? 🤔
Not sure about hanging 100kgs on the back of what is essentially a caravan, is there plenty of structural strength back there?
YouTube might be your friend.
Good luck with your new acquisition 👍
The bikes are on a tow bar, not hung on the back doors.
 
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Tv. You need a removable bracket to be able to lift bed. AS sell one that’s an inverted V to which the tv part slots onto.
Black vent at front between seats is intake. You’ll find heating very much rear bias. Truma is under bed so keeps you warm at night, we set temp to 11 to keep rear temps bearable
Fitted sheets are available from specialist suppliers. We got ours at a show.
Kingham is on fiat heavy chassis so bikes shouldn’t overload axle. We use an Altera sliding rack. But watch overall payload, they’re heavy conversions.
Try a small freestanding bin on end of unit by sliding door
Thanks for that information
 

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The bikes are on a tow bar, not hung on the back doors.
The tow bar must be hung on something substantial but check the bar as the name suggests it’s a tow bar not a carrying bar, big difference, mine was rated at 90kgs for carrying and 4000kg for towing but I did have it from new with the certificate.

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Hello everyone, new to site and took delivery of a Kingham yesterday. Bought through a broker so not much back up! A few questions I would like answers to. There is a tv bracket on side of wardrobe overlooking the bed. I have my 19 inch tv up and now I cannot lift up the end of bed to access storage? I was told, if I push the bed back so the end raises, I will not be able to lift the storage end up. Is there an answer?
there is a vent at the front as you go in. When we tried heating, no air blowing through. The broker told me it only discharges warm air when the engine is running?
on the bed, what bedding do you use. A double looks too big and a single too small. How do you get a sheet on🤔?
we are wanting to put a tow bar on back, to carry our two electric bikes, with a van swing so as we can easily access rear doors. Anyone done this? The total of tow bar, bikes and swing arm comes to about 100kgs. So know we have to watch payload unless we both try and get our C1 licences back.
I’m sure we will need loads more advice. We have always had bigger coach built vans and racking our brains as to where we put dressing gowns, shoes etc. Nowhere for a rubbish bin.
any help, gratefully received.
Good afternoon. We've had our Kingham for 8years now and 80,000+ on the clock.
The front air blower is in essence not effective on the Kingham apparently the distance from heater to the front is too long therefore the warm air just can't get that far.
Regarding bedding we use a small double fitted sheet from Dunelm and a double duvet, both perfectly adequate. We also 'secure' the fitted seat with adjustable bed sheet clips again from Dunelm.
Don't use dressing-gowns l'm afraid so can't suggest anywhere.
Beyond that we are very happy with the Kingham with no land for changing.
Very small but adequate litter bin fits alongside the bathroom basin.
Feel free for any additional queries.
 
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I have a van swing fitted to my towbar on a 6.4m Ducato. It works great and we can get both doors open when the swing is fully swung... You have 100kg nose weight on the Ducato, however the towbar mounted van swing has a 60kg max limit : this includes your bikes and the bike” rack. My rack is 17kg so it’s tight to get 2 ebikes on and stay within the limit. We can only do this by taking the batteries and every other removable item off, even then we are bang on the limit.
Our Volt bikes are 21.5 kgs each with batteries which we would take off and they weigh 3 kgs each so = 37 kgs. Our Thule bike carrier is 18.5kg. Making a total weight on van swing of 55.5
With the tow bar 27kgs and van swing 20kgs an overall total, if my maths are right, 102.5kgs😧.
will 2.5kgs be a problem? Thank you do much for your help.
The tow bar must be hung on something substantial but check the bar as the name suggests it’s a tow bar not a carrying bar, big difference, mine was rated at 90kgs for carrying and 4000kg for towing but I did have it from new with the certificate.
The tow bar must be hung on something substantial but check the bar as the name suggests it’s a tow bar not a carrying bar, big difference, mine was rated at 90kgs for carrying and 4000kg for towing but I did have it from new with the certificate.

We bought the fitted sheets and duvet/duvet covers for the bed as we also ran into problems with conventional bedding.

I can’t answer re the vent, I thought it was a heating duct for the cab heating so that while driving with the heating on, some went to the back.

later Kinghams (2021 certainly) have Whale heating/hot water system, these live under the bed and all intakes etc are there, they’re not connected in any way to the black vent between the seats if you’ve got Whale fitted.

When we living in are in the van (as opposed to driving), shoes etc are chucked in the cab area to keep them out of the way. Otherwise we tend to put them in the overhead bit where the free standing table lives, along with our waterproof coats.

bin wise we ended up getting a narrow plastic bin that fits in the bathroom between the toilet and the wall, on the right hand side as you look at it. And as that’s a bit of a pain, we keep a small counter top bin (intended for teabags etc, so maybe 6 inches high and 4 inches diameter) on the work surface near the sink. So small bits go in there then into to main bin, and bigger bits of rubbish go straight to the bigger bin.

we keep our dressing gowns in the lockers above the bed or are wearing them.

I hope you enjoy your new van!
Thanks for that information
 
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Good afternoon. We've had our Kingham for 8years now and 80,000+ on the clock.
The front air blower is in essence not effective on the Kingham apparently the distance from heater to the front is too long therefore the warm air just can't get that far.
Regarding bedding we use a small double fitted sheet from Dunelm and a double duvet, both perfectly adequate. We also 'secure' the fitted seat with adjustable bed sheet clips again from Dunelm.
Don't use dressing-gowns l'm afraid so can't suggest anywhere.
Beyond that we are very happy with the Kingham with no land for changing.
Very small but adequate litter bin fits alongside the bathroom basin.
Feel free for any additional queries.
Thank you for that. So a double duvet would hang from the outside wall almost to the floor? Do you fold it under near the wall and tuck outside under the mattress? Never heard of adjustable bed sheet clips.
 
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Our Volt bikes are 21.5 kgs each with batteries which we would take off and they weigh 3 kgs each so = 37 kgs. Our Thule bike carrier is 18.5kg. Making a total weight on van swing of 55.5
With the tow bar 27kgs and van swing 20kgs an overall total, if my maths are right, 102.5kgs😧.
will 2.5kgs be a problem? Thank you do much for your help.
The Ducato has a “nose weight” of 100 kg, this is the weight that a bike carrier, trailer, caravan, boat trailer or whatever you hang on the towball exerts on your tow bar. With a van swing you cannot use the tow ball to actually tow anything, only hang a bike carrier on it. Your van swing is nicely under its own limit at 55.5 kgs and this weight, plus the van swing itself at 20kg, is exerting 75.5 kg on the tow bar assembly. In my book that is well inside the 100 Kg limit for a Ducato.

For funsters who are lost when we talk about a van swing - I’ve attached a photo.

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Van Swing.

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Our Volt bikes are 21.5 kgs each with batteries which we would take off and they weigh 3 kgs each so = 37 kgs. Our Thule bike carrier is 18.5kg. Making a total weight on van swing of 55.5
With the tow bar 27kgs and van swing 20kgs an overall total, if my maths are right, 102.5kgs😧.
will 2.5kgs be a problem? Thank you do much for your help.
You don't include the weight of the towbar in that calculation R100SRS give you the correct calculation.
 
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The Ducato has a “nose weight” of 100 kg, this is the weight that a bike carrier, trailer, caravan, boat trailer or whatever you hang on the towball exerts on your tow bar. With a van swing you cannot use the tow ball to actually tow anything, only hang a bike carrier on it. Your van swing is nicely under its own limit at 55.5 kgs and this weight, plus the van swing itself at 20kg, is exerting 75.5 kg on the tow bar assembly. In my book that is well inside the 100 Kg limit for a Ducato.

For funsters who are lost when we talk about a van swing - I’ve attached a photo.
Crikey, there doesn’t appear to be much under your bed🤔. We have been quite ruthless in cutting down on what we take but we have filled that storage area completely 😩. Fold up chairs, Cadac, ground sheet, cables, stakes, toilet chemical etc etc. Thank you for the info regarding carrying bikes. We let our C1 licences lapse but reckon, following a visit to the weighbridge without tow bar on, bikes, we may need to upgrade van to get a better payload.
 

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We use Duvalays - 2 single. We have the two different weight of duvet, according to time of year. Have tried sheets & duvets and sleeping bags. These suit us best. We downsized from coach built to PVC, manage storage wise fine. Our back is not filled with 2 folding mobility scooters, folding chairs & small table, ramps, cable, pipes, bucket and a few tools and that is about it. No bar b q. everything else is inside. Dont use liquids for loo, use single dose sachets, so dry, so keep in an internal cupboard. We find we have empty space inside, but no oven or microwave, so I guess more cupboard space.
 
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We use Duvalays - 2 single. We have the two different weight of duvet, according to time of year. Have tried sheets & duvets and sleeping bags. These suit us best. We downsized from coach built to PVC, manage storage wise fine. Our back is not filled with 2 folding mobility scooters, folding chairs & small table, ramps, cable, pipes, bucket and a few tools and that is about it. No bar b q. everything else is inside. Dont use liquids for loo, use single dose sachets, so dry, so keep in an internal cupboard. We find we have empty space inside, but no oven or microwave, so I guess more cupboard space.
Thanks.

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Our last van was a Kingham. We had the bedding made by Jonic to fit the French Bed
 
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Sorry I was misinformed and passed on some duff information.
Hope it will be as easy as Lenny HB says and u already think.
 

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Dressing gowns …… in a PVC ? 🤣
I don’t bother but hubby takes a track suit (no longer used for sports) to wear to showers (with no underwear). He finds it easier to manage
 
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That had me wondering too, for me out of bed in the shower then get dressed.
we have two small dogs. If they decide they want a wee in the night what’s easier than putting a dressing gown on and to go for a shower.

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