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hi all , just some advice really, I have a webasto water and warm air heater which is being serviced. I have 2 x 95 amp varta batteries (auxillary) does anybody have problems running it of batteries alone?
 

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With 2 x 95ah you have 95ah useful power before you effectively flatten the batteries. ( 50% of the capacity)

check the label of your heater , what amps does it use.. that will determine how long the batteries will last..

for example , if it says 2 amps, you will have about 50 hrs , that's not including other uses such as lighting, water pump etc.. so allowing for them maybe 30 - 40 hours.. to be on the safe side let's say 24hours .

but as I said.. check your heater label.. then decide if that is a problem..
 
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thank you for your reply jim, my question was really aimed at funsters who have one but I will check the amps as this is useful information. I have had problems with mine starting up numerous flashes warning of low power when I know the batteries are fully charged. I.e new batteries and been on hook up for a couple of days. And also numerous warning flashes to say fan problems etc

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I have one ! Whilst the unit user a few amps to (about 4-5 ) to heat the glow plug on start up, It's pretty much self sustaining after that.
If your getting numerous flashes with fully charged batteries you have a problem and need to decipher the flashing code which is in the user manual.
I would advise calling Webasto and they will confirm how much drain is taken from the battery on start up and may advise on the flashing you are witnessing.

I've had mine now for 3.1/2 years , have never had it serviced and it's quiet as a kitten and a superb bit of kit. I run in for a minimum of 1 hour per month to keep everything in good working order.

I have never had a problem with running from the batteries alone, which I do quite often.
 

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I have one ! Whilst the unit user a few amps to (about 4-5 ) to heat the glow plug on start up, It's pretty much self sustaining after that.
If your getting numerous flashes with fully charged batteries you have a problem and need to decipher the flashing code which is in the user manual.
I would advise calling Webasto and they will confirm how much drain is taken from the battery on start up and may advise on the flashing you are witnessing.

I've had mine now for 3.1/2 years , have never had it serviced and it's quiet as a kitten and a superb bit of kit. I run in for a minimum of 1 hour per month to keep everything in good working order.

I have never had a problem with running from the batteries alone, which I do quite often.

I thought the OP's model had a blown air fan .. that uses about 2 amps..

I have a webasto water and warm air heater

my mistake..
 

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We had the Webasto Dualtop in our previous Motorhome and had no problem running heating/hot water when not on hook up. We had 2x110 ah batteries and 2x 80 solar panels.
If an error code is flashing up the book is very good. Only problem we had was sticking dump valve which was replaced under warranty. Oh and a 10 amp fuse went, they have to be taken out in a certain order and replaced in specific order again the instructions help.

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thank you all for the info. It is with the motorhome workshop at the moment to be sorted, it was just that prior to our new van I had a self build with a propex heater and I could park up for at least 4 days and everything was fine working of one 110 amp battery but the Malaga water heater was gas. We rarely use ehu and I am hoping the new van will be the same. By going by your comments I should not have a problem.
 

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As long as your batteries are in good nick, it'll be fine.

Ours will run for 4 days at -5 to -20 degrees outside whilst maintaining 20 degrees inside the van.

Our battery bank is 345 Ah.
 

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RH100 was that a typo ? can't seem to find it.. but

found the pdf data sheet for the RHA 100 .. ?

amps are as follows..

Current input at 12V Summer mode < 1 A
Winter mode, heat and hot water 0.5 ~ 7 A
Stand-by 0.001 A

hope that helps..

Workshop manual now in resources

http://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum...eater-workshop-manual-for-rha-100-101-102.77/

It was already there Jim!

I put one in there ages ago! Na Nana nah nah!!!!!!:laughing:

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you're welcome..

back to your amps.. just be aware, according to the manual, it uses 7 amps blowing hot air.. seems a lot .. but that's what it says.

Hi Jim

That is an absolute peak current in my experience. The glowplug is the culprit there.
I reckon in normal UK winter use, an average of 2 amps is good for battery endurance guesstimation.
 

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Hi Jim

That is an absolute peak current in my experience. The glowplug is the culprit there.
I reckon in normal UK winter use, an average of 2 amps is good for battery endurance guesstimation.

thanks.. so my first guess was close to the mark.. cheers

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thanks.. so my first guess was close to the mark.. cheers

Our average draw during a ski trip for all our 12 volt system is about 4 amps.
The dualtop is quite advanced compared to earlier diesel heaters in that it ticks over using very low quantities of current and fuel rather than continually shutting down and restarting.
The restart is what places the highest demand on the battery due to the glowplug being powered up.
The fuel dosing pump, burner fan and circulation fan use very little current during continual use.
 

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Why don't you turn the Webasto on when you start your journey? It's diesel you can run it whilst on the move. It's a central heating system. Ours goes on before we turn a wheel and off when we get home.
 

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Why don't you turn the Webasto on when you start your journey? It's diesel you can run it whilst on the move. It's a central heating system. Ours goes on before we turn a wheel and off when we get home.

Exactly the way we use ours!

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when travelling which settings do you have it on? Mine has water 40 and 70 deg and winter mode heating or heating and water. Or can you have it on any setting?
 

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Summer: hot water.
Winter: heating & hot water.
We use the water 40C setting for the sink and the 70C for showers. So it's usually on 40 until we want a shower.
 

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We use just water in the summer and when travelling in winter, especially in extreme cold, have the blown air running to avoid freezing the water system.

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:)thank you ALL for the information once I get the van back I will switch it in when we leave and turn off when I get home.
 
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I think you have been spoilt somewhat with your last van, propex heater.

Diesel heaters use much more current than gas.

It could be worse though, you could have had an eberspacher one like we have(2005). Contuniously shutting down then starting up again, useless.

You maybe need a B2B fitted to get some charge back in quickly when you start the engine and arrive at your next stop fully charged again.

Paul.
 

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Old diesel heaters use much more current than gas.
The Webasto Dualtop doesn't! Its one of the new generation!

I feel the myth that all diesel heaters are heavy on the battery in comparison to equivalent gas systems is starting to have the same status as gassing stories!

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Yes, sorry, should have said older diesel ones like this 2005 Eberspacher.

Paul.

Don't apologise, we all have a say here and your post has contributed more info for anyone reading.
Besides, bickering is now officially banned!!!!!::bigsmile:

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well an update on my heater. Southdowns diagnosed a fault with 1 of the heater motors drawing to much currant and have sent the van to a specialist in Bristol 100 plus miles away. The van was due back today ready for the Lincoln show but they now have a fault in the pcb which needs to come from Germany the van is being returned to them next week when the pcb arrives. Me panic stations lincoln show but no need to worry as they are lending me a van to go to Lincoln. Not happy but at least we will be there either in there van or mine.
 

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I don't buy that at all.
Have Southdown's got the Webasto diagnosis kit? If they had, they wouldn't be sending it to a specialist.

I really do think, in light of the fact you only get problems on startup, that the thickness and quality of the wiring installed by the motorhome manufacturer is inadequate.

But I will withhold judgement until you have had a professional diagnosis!
 
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I don't buy that at all.
Have Southdown's got the Webasto diagnosis kit? If they had, they wouldn't be sending it to a specialist.

I really do think, in light of the fact you only get problems on startup, that the thickness and quality of the wiring installed by the motorhome manufacturer is inadequate.

But I will withhold judgement until you have had a professional diagnosis!
That's lucky I ain't selling it , Southdowns do not have the diagnostic equipment but they got someone in that does. If the fault was the wrong wiring it would have had problems since new. Considering the van is 08 and the motor was installed by the manufacturer I am putting it down to age related problems and the faults have been diagnosed and a fix is on its way. I am just pleased they will lend me a van for lincoln if mine is not ready.

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