Petition to the parliament

[martinmonty]

This is a email I sent to my member of parliament Andrew rosindell.and this is he's reply.
Hi Andrew rosindell it looks like as a British citizen we are being treated unfairly compared to an EU citizen who can stay in our country for 180 days consecutively whereas we have to jump through hoops to stay longer than 90 days yours martin.
Wednesday 10th February 2021



Dear Martin

Thank you very much for contacting me, regarding reciprocal travel agreements with the E.U.

I wanted you to know that I have received your message and am grateful to you for taking the time to raise this matter with me personally.

I agree that we should have a fair international travel system with the E.U., which includes both U.K. and E.U. nationals having the same opportunities for travel.

As your local M.P., I was also very concerned to learn about these unequal rules and I raised my concerns with the Rt. Hon. Michael Gove M.P., and submitted a Written Parliamentary Question about the issue.

It was explained that before negotiations began, the E.U. had already legislated that U.K. nationals would not need a visa when travelling to the Schengen area for short stays of up to 90 days in any 180-day period. This was in line with their standard visa-free travel length for all third-party countries entering the Schengen Zone.



Individual Member States may allow longer stays, for example in line with the U.K.’s offering of 180 days, but this would need to be a bi-lateral agreement between the U.K. and each Member State, rather than the E.U. as a whole.



The problem is that the E.U. are not reasonable and see things a political battle, instead of agreeing straightforward and sensible bi-lateral arrangements which benefit everyone, as we do.



I will continue to raise this with ministers, and although we have a deal with the E.U., I hope that negotiations will continue with individual states until a more fair and equal travel agreement is reached with each country.

If you would like to discuss this or any other issue with me further, please do not hesitate to get in touch at any time.

With every good wish.

 

[Speve]

Thanks for posting your letter I have now sent a similar email to our MP Danny Kruger and will post any reply I receive on this thread

 

[Rapido925M]

This is a email I sent to my member of parliament Andrew rosindell.and this is he's reply.
Hi Andrew rosindell it looks like as a British citizen we are being treated unfairly compared to an EU citizen who can stay in our country for 180 days consecutively whereas we have to jump through hoops to stay longer than 90 days yours martin.
Wednesday 10th February 2021



Dear Martin
....

Individual Member States may allow longer stays, for example in line with the U.K.’s offering of 180 days, but this would need to be a bi-lateral agreement between the U.K. and each Member State, rather than the E.U. as a whole.



The problem is that the E.U. are not reasonable and see things a political battle, instead of agreeing straightforward and sensible bi-lateral arrangements which benefit everyone, as we do.

....

Can you or your MP please provide details of individual Schengen countries which have a bi-lateral travel arrangement with any non-Schengen country?

I've looked briefly and cannot find any (apart from French Overseas Territories whose residents have to apply for a short stay visa).

Thanks - Gordon

Perhaps we can expect to receive special preferences?

 

[gus-lopez]

Petition to parliament

This is a email I sent to my member of parliament Andrew rosindell.and this is he's reply. Hi Andrew rosindell it looks like as a British citizen we are being treated unfairly compared to an EU citizen who can stay in our country for 180 days consecutively whereas we have to jump through hoops...

www.motorhomefun.co.uk

 

[Rob Hammond]

Can you or your MP please provide details of individual Schengen countries which have a bi-lateral travel arrangement with any non-Schengen country?

I've looked briefly and cannot find any (apart from French Overseas Territories whose residents have to apply for a short stay visa).

Thanks - Gordon

Perhaps we can expect to receive special preferences?

Maybe reciprocal not expecting to receive special preferences

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[frogijock]

This is a email I sent to my member of parliament Andrew rosindell.and this is he's reply.
Hi Andrew rosindell it looks like as a British citizen we are being treated unfairly compared to an EU citizen who can stay in our country for 180 days consecutively whereas we have to jump through hoops to stay longer than 90 days yours martin.
Wednesday 10th February 2021



Dear Martin

Thank you very much for contacting me, regarding reciprocal travel agreements with the E.U.

I wanted you to know that I have received your message and am grateful to you for taking the time to raise this matter with me personally.

I agree that we should have a fair international travel system with the E.U., which includes both U.K. and E.U. nationals having the same opportunities for travel.

As your local M.P., I was also very concerned to learn about these unequal rules and I raised my concerns with the Rt. Hon. Michael Gove M.P., and submitted a Written Parliamentary Question about the issue.

It was explained that before negotiations began, the E.U. had already legislated that U.K. nationals would not need a visa when travelling to the Schengen area for short stays of up to 90 days in any 180-day period. This was in line with their standard visa-free travel length for all third-party countries entering the Schengen Zone.



Individual Member States may allow longer stays, for example in line with the U.K.’s offering of 180 days, but this would need to be a bi-lateral agreement between the U.K. and each Member State, rather than the E.U. as a whole.



The problem is that the E.U. are not reasonable and see things a political battle, instead of agreeing straightforward and sensible bi-lateral arrangements which benefit everyone, as we do.



I will continue to raise this with ministers, and although we have a deal with the E.U., I hope that negotiations will continue with individual states until a more fair and equal travel agreement is reached with each country.

If you would like to discuss this or any other issue with me further, please do not hesitate to get in touch at any time.

With every good wish.

So much for the much vaunted EU “”we are united as one state, but we have different rules

 

[frogijock]

Have sent email to my MP

 

[Spriddler]

..

 

[Spriddler]

So much for the much vaunted EU “”we are united as one state, but we have different rules

No country joined the E.U. for the benefit of others.

 

[pappajohn]

It would be so much easier to resipricate the EU's restrictions of 90 days. The EU would have no say in it then.
All those wanting 6 months a year in Europe then have two choices.... Get used to it or apply for EU citizenship/reisidency.

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[Boris7]

It would be so much easier to resipricate the EU's restrictions of 90 days. The EU would have no say in it then.
All those wanting 6 months a year in Europe then have two choices.... Get used to it or apply for EU citizenship/reisidency.

We‘ve left the EU, get used to it.

We can only restrict them coming here, we can’t change the rules on going there.

 

[pappajohn]

We‘ve left the EU, get used to it.

We can only restr8ct them coming here, we can’t change the rules on going there.

If you read again that's exactly what I said.

 

[Boris7]

If you read again that's exactly what I said.

Which is why I gave it a like

 

[pappajohn]

Which is why I gave it a like

Apologies, it was the way I read your reply.
Aimed at a wider audience and not, as I read it, directly at me.

 

[Phill D]

i love this forum its the only place we can argue about agreeing....

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[Rapido925M]

I wonder how many "Europeans" are writing to their MP/MEPs worried that the UK may reciprocate and prevent them from spending 6 months skiing in the Cairngorms, surfing off the Cornish coast or searching for the Northern Lights in Shetland.

Those poor folk would just have to use the Alps/Pyrenees/Apennines for skiing, surf off Portugal or western France, drive to Norway/Sweden/Finland/Latvia etc or even go to Iceland for the whole of the winter.

Yes: they have a lot to gain by changing the rules applying to 447 million people in order to keep 70 million of us Brits happy

Gordon

 

[RidersofRohan]

Yes: they have a lot to gain by changing the rules applying to 447 million people in order to keep 70 million of us Brits happy

Gordon

Nothing like those numbers affected by 90/180, in either direction. Motorhomers are a small sub-sect of the general population and those motorhomers who snowbird for half the year are a small sub-sect of them.
Ok there might be more apartment owners also affected but you need bigger numbers for any chance of change.
The majority of folk on here don’t care about exceeding 90/180 because they will never do it.

 

[Coolcats]

Quick question, can other nationals other than EU member states visit the U.K. for longer than 90 days? ( up to the 180)

 

[bigtwin]

Quick question, can other nationals other than EU member states visit the U.K. for longer than 90 days? ( up to the 180)

Not without an appropriate visa.

Ian

 

[Coolcats]

Not without an appropriate visa.

Ian

Well just looked up Australia and Americans their nationals can visit the U.K. for up to 180 days but can only visit the EU for 90 so I doubt the petition is going to get very far without affecting all countries that visit the U.K.

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[Nomadian]

Ah but they need us more than we need them

 

[Speve]

I think some are missing the point here we are allowed 180 days a year in the EU however not concecutively?
What is being asked is not for extra days but to relax the 90 in 180 days so if someone wanted say 120 they would be able to do it in one go rather than have to wait for the next period.
If EU citizens are allowed that privilege in the UK then why has that not been negotiated as a reciprocal agreement?
it’s not just Motorhomers affected is it?there are many folk who own property in the EU that require just a little more flexibility on their stays?
it’s all very well saying become a citizen of an EU country but that’s not what’s being asked is it?
There is no harm in asking the question and it could have a positive outcome over time

 

[Coolcats]

The Travel restrictions are part of what people voted for. We are now a 3rd country with our own laws, If those laws allow countries to have 180 consecutive day access to the U.K and the EU have their own take on this it probably won’t happen, at least in the short term.

 

[frogijock]

The EU has said that is up to each individual EU country to reach an agreement with the UK on the length of time a UK resident can remain visa free in that country, the 90 days is only an EU blanket cover that applies to all non EU countries

 

[ceejayt]

The EU has said that is up to each individual EU country to reach an agreement with the UK on the length of time a UK resident can remain visa free in that country, the 90 days is only an EU blanket cover that applies to all non EU countries

It would be very difficult if say Austria allowed 180 but France was only 90 given that your passport would potentially be stamped as you entered France, you make your way to Austria for 6 months but on your return through Frances your are nabbed because by then it would show a significant overstay.

They would have to go back to individual border checks and Stamos and that is not going to happen.

I think the 'flexibility' idea is the better option - up to 180 days stay in any 360

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[Boris7]

I suspect it will all just settle down over time and then the 90 day rule will just be used to evict people that have committed other offences rather than to penalise the UK

 

[Coolcats]

I suspect it will all just settle down over time and then the 90 day rule will just be used to evict people that have committed other offences rather than to penalise the UK

indeed and is the same for other 3rd party countries, we cannot complain, people knew what they were voting for so it is not as if the UK is being penalised

 

[bigtwin]

I suspect it will all just settle down over time and then the 90 day rule will just be used to evict people that have committed other offences rather than to penalise the UK

I’m pretty sure they’d also be intolerant of US, or Australian, citizens overstaying their allotted time so not sure why you consider it to be penalising the UK specifically.

Ian

 

[PaddyM]

I have no intention of visiting Europe if they continue their policy of discrimination against a sovereign state that exercised its democratic right to leave their club . As a staunch Brexiteer i was also a staunch Europhile i just didn’t want to be a part of the EU experiment .
As an entity they are day after day after day proving that my vote was cast correctly.

And this is not a political post it is simply a post in support of democracy and universal sufferage .

 

[gwyntaxi]

I think some are missing the point here we are allowed 180 days a year in the EU however not concecutively?
What is being asked is not for extra days but to relax the 90 in 180 days so if someone wanted say 120 they would be able to do it in one go rather than have to wait for the next period.
If EU citizens are allowed that privilege in the UK then why has that not been negotiated as a reciprocal agreement?
it’s not just Motorhomers affected is it?there are many folk who own property in the EU that require just a little more flexibility on their stays?
it’s all very well saying become a citizen of an EU country but that’s not what’s being asked is it?
There is no harm in asking the question and it could have a positive outcome over time

Hi Speve,
I couldn’t agree more, as a few others have said, it’s not just Motorhomers who want an extended winter beyond the 90day ruling period, there are apartment and property owners who like to get away from the long uk winter such as the current one for 120-150 days it does seem really one sided that those in EU can stay legally in our country for up to 180 days consecutively but that’s not a two way agreement, so seeing that it is such an unjust ruling, by withdrawing the arrangement we previously had prior to leaving the “club”, and as it seems that it is too much logic for the EU to allow our previous arrangement to continue, perhaps it would be a lot simpler for our useless government too just introduce a like arrangement then that may provoke them to introducing a level playing field, seems straight forward enough to me. It’s also affecting property owners in Uk who own property in the EU as it must have had a devastating effect on the value of their property out there , as now the EU property market is faaarrr less attractive to prospective purchasers from Uk with only such a short winter period that they can use them, so this 90day ruling has a lot more far reaching implications than some people realise, just saying...

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