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My pleasure@GJH
thanks for the response.
Still far too few of us to be all that significant I'm afraid (less than 200,000 MHs in a population of 4 Million). Even less likely is that motorhome owners would act as a pressure group, the vats majority don't want to know when it comes to actually doing anything positive (= takes some constructive effort) to achieve change.With a 25% increase in the sale of new Motorhomes this year we should be approaching the stage when we become a "significant" minority. Acting as a pressure group we may get somewhere.
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@GJH
thanks for the response.
With a 25% increase in the sale of new Motorhomes this year we should be approaching the stage when we become a "significant" minority. Acting as a pressure group we may get somewhere.
Not sure what this case changes. The guy didn't break the law, the ruling was a civil one. People have long ignored these charges misrepresented as pseudo fines on the gamble that it is not cost effective for Parking Eye to bring a civil action for payment of an unpaid invoice. In fact they didn't in this case the guy did.
What has changed?
Dick
So what if they do want people to breach the contract? They aren't actually forcing people to do so are they? All they are doing is relying on the fact that there are enough people who are careless enough, daft enough or simply big headed enough to think they are a special case.Good luck with that, but it will never happen.
Companies like Parking Eye only make money by levying "fines" (invoices) they are not interested in you, me, our type of vehicle etc etc etc
They want you to breach the "contract" so they can levy a charge against you. They want you to cross the line, be five minutes late, display your ticket incorrectly, because if you didn't they would be out of business.
There are a cpl of posters attempting to justify these companies as "guardians of fair play" but in effect they are nothing more than legalised thugs out to make a profit not just from serial abusers, but from average Joe Bloggs who happens to make a genuine error.
We have allowed this to happen, because we love rules, we love being told what to do and now we are reaping the benefit.
Yes I keep going on about the continent, but have any of the "parking eye supporters" out there EVER paid to park at a retail park in France?
Genuine question
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My frustration is not with the parking fines [although I do consider them excessive] nor the rules, regulations & time limits [as long as they are clearly & obviously signed] but with negligent & erroneous charging of those penalties.No Graham I had to deal with P/Eye i couldn't do that until my CC bill came then it was stopped. Pete
It works with other companies so why not?My frustration is not with the parking fines [although I do consider them excessive] nor the rules, regulations & time limits [as long as they are clearly & obviously signed] but with negligent & erroneous charging of those penalties.
In Peter's case, he correctly followed procedure & was within time constraints but somehow was sent a penalty notice.
He has had to waste his time and go to efforts to 'prove' his innocence.
In these cases - surely it's only right that Parking Eye compensate him (and others) for their mistake... costs plus penalties [to encourage them to be more careful and accurate].
Sauce for goose & all that.
So what if they do want people to breach the contract? They aren't actually forcing people to do so are they? All they are doing is relying on the fact that there are enough people who are careless enough, daft enough or simply big headed enough to think they are a special case.
As for the idea of letting people off for a "genuine error", would you let people off something like their insurance liabilities because they caused an accident as a result of "genuine error"?
Who cares about paying to park at a retail park in France? All that means is that the companies concerned recoup the costs of parking provision in other ways (e.g. higher prices). There are plenty of retail parks in this country that have free parking. The ones that charge are those (as posted yesterday) that would be over-run with people other than customers otherwise.
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OK then, I haven't "EVER paid to park at a retail park in France" but, as I said, who cares?Even during your little rant supporting these companies that prey on "careless" (your words) people, you quoted my post but didn't answer the question raised in it.
I think an accident causing damage is different to someone 5 mins late in Tesco and am surprised you used that as an example.
As for higher prices, any examples of this?
OK then, I haven't "EVER paid to park at a retail park in France" but, as I said, who cares?
Why be surprised at the example? Both are "genuine errors". The scale of the consequences might be different but that is the only difference. Where did the 5 minutes come from? As was pointed out yesterday (post #6), Beavis parked for a 2 hour period and overstayed by 52 minutes.
As regards higher prices, provision of parking is a business expense. All companies cover such expenses in their prices, ergo higher expenses means higher prices. Simple.
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They should stop volunteering thenThe people who are being ripped off here care
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Not sure, but I have never been on a car park operated by PE that I have had to pay for. The ones I have frequented are based on a time in/ time out only. Wherever I have paid by ticket to park on they have had that very quaint old fashioned human enforcer.Going off at a slight tangent but what is the situation if you drive into a car park, walk over to a sign/meter, read it and then realise that you can't comply with their rules so drive out. Will you be charged nothing, the minimum fee or a fine for not purchasing a ticket?
Also, is there any legal requirement for the car park operator to display a 'phone number where they can be contacted in the event of a query?
Going off at a slight tangent but what is the situation if you drive into a car park, walk over to a sign/meter, read it and then realise that you can't comply with their rules so drive out. Will you be charged nothing, the minimum fee or a fine for not purchasing a ticket?
The only PE car park I can think of which we use and has a charge is at North Tees Hospital. The first 20 minutes is free, ample time to get in and out if one is unable to comply.Not sure, but I have never been on a car park operated by PE that I have had to pay for. The ones I have frequented are based on a time in/ time out only. Wherever I have paid by ticket to park on they have had that very quaint old fashioned human enforcer.
I don't know of any legal requirement.Also, is there any legal requirement for the car park operator to display a 'phone number where they can be contacted in the event of a query?
Fair enough if you haven't overstayed or parked incorrectly - there should be recourse to correct the error. It shouldn't be the hardest thing in the world and could be easier.The people who are being ripped off here care
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Not a great exampleI have a 10 year passport - it runs out next February, I wonder if I can still expect it to be valid in March? I think I will have to pay for another - what a rip off!
My point was that I can't expect to continue using it after it has expired - the cost is somewhat irrelevent.Not a great example
"The cost of £72.50 represents an increase of 80% in just four years".
So yes, I would say the Passport Fee is a ripoff
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But then they would hardly be a penalty at all! The point is to make them high enough to discourage people flouting the time limits.I don't necessarily agree that cost is irrelevant...
If parking penalty charges were much more reasonable £5 - £20 then I doubt that the majority of people would be so outraged.
I don't necessarily agree that cost is irrelevant...
If parking penalty charges were much more reasonable £5 - £20 then I doubt that the majority of people would be so outraged.
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The sign is at the Calais Aire, Gaston Berthe.The ParkByPhone service, in this country anyway, runs alongside the traditional pay and display machines, it doesn't replace them. There's no reason to think this would be any different anywhere else.
I'm not sure which aire that is but the last time we were at Calais Port the money was collected. There was no machine or sign.
There are two addresses mentioned on the sign in your picture and neither of them are for the Port aire so I imagine the sign is for somewhere else.
Fair enough, though not round my way - even parking in the station is "only" £10 for the day.Where's the deterrent there?
Plenty of people would happily dump their car somewhere for a days shopping or whatever if they knew it would only cost them 20 quid.
£75 is outrageous & unconscionable.
Appropriate penalty yes, deterrent yes but not rip off.
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With this confirmation that Parking Eye can charge £80 for using a parking space for a few extra minutes that you could get all day for a fiver around the corner is taking advantage of the naive.
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