Overnight Parking in Dover

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From: Sue Young at DDC <Sue.Young@DOVER.GOV.UK>
Date: 15 September 2014 15:18:29 BST
To: "miketudor665p@yahoo.co.uk" <miketudor665p@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Motor Home Parking in Dover




Thank you for your e-mail relating to motorhome parking on the sea front in Dover


At its meeting on 11th September 2014, the Dover Joint Transportation Board took the decision to commence the process of introducing an overnight ban, from 6pm to 6am Monday to Sunday, on motor caravans parking on Marine Parade and Waterloo Crescent, Dover and The Beach, Walmer. This process will involve public consultation. At the same time, Parking Services have been directed to look into finding alternative provisions for motor caravans.


The relevant report can be viewed athttp://moderngov.dover.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=124&MId=1672 . The minutes of the meeting will also be published here in due course.
Mrs. S. Young

Acting Parking Team Leader


Dover District Council

White Cliffs Business Park

Whitfield

Dover

CT16 3PJ


Telephone: (01304) 872459

Fax: (01304) 872445

Email: Parking@dover.gov.uk
 

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Also thank you from us, it's interesting to see that they are looking for alternatives, it wasn't long ago that there would have been a blanket ban and that would have been it. We should thank people like Graham (GJH) who've spent so much time and effort contacting councils and making them aware of the potential business that we all bring.(y)
 

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Just like to add thank you to it as well as we will be down at dover on the 8th of October
 

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don't know why you all park in Dover anyway,get yourselves over and save yourself a day, for the sake of twenty minutes you can be in France, not having to get up early to catch a train you can have a leisurely breakfast in gravelines and be ready for the off
 

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don't know why you all park in Dover anyway,get yourselves over and save yourself a day, for the sake of twenty minutes you can be in France, not having to get up early to catch a train you can have a leisurely breakfast in gravelines and be ready for the off
Yes, that's fine for going south, but for travelling TO the UK our preferred option is to get to / near Calais, have a nice meal and then get a ferry about 22.00 - 23.00. Then we overnight on Dover sea front. That way we are in the UK ready for a long day in the saddle getting up to Cheshire.

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Dover District Council will not bother to find an alternative because there is no revenue in it for them. They may say there will be a consultation but it is a forgone conclusion. I have lived in Dover all my life and I have found that the council do not do anything that will not bring in revenue. They are not interested in the opinions of the public they are a law unto themselves. This came about because of one idiot complaining to the paper. Most of the people who live along the seafront have more problems with seagulls and the dover council not emptying bins. The latter causes more problems and rubbish than any motorhomer. If you went into Dover you would see how it has been left to go to rack and ruin. There is no revenue being put into the town at all, one wonders where it all goes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Dover District Council will not bother to find an alternative because there is no revenue in it for them. They may say there will be a consultation but it is a forgone conclusion. I have lived in Dover all my life and I have found that the council do not do anything that will not bring in revenue. They are not interested in the opinions of the public they are a law unto themselves. This came about because of one idiot complaining to the paper. Most of the people who live along the seafront have more problems with seagulls and the dover council not emptying bins. The latter causes more problems and rubbish than any motorhomer. If you went into Dover you would see how it has been left to go to rack and ruin. There is no revenue being put into the town at all, one wonders where it all goes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have used the seafront a few times, always parked up the top by the marina so as not to spoil any residents veiws, then I would go into town for a meal ,and as you say , I have noticed how quiet the pubs and restaurants were, seems that the council thinks the local traders don,t need any trade from us motorhomers,,,
 

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Maybe it's about time we stopped being subject to 54 year-old legislation, ie Section 29(1) of the Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act 1960. There's been some significant changes in vehicle ownership and holiday making trends since 1960.

I don't suppose it's occurred to Dover council to consider the French model and charge £5 a night for parking on the esplanade, thus earning a bit of revenue for the benefit of its residents?
 

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Thanks for this, looking to park overnight on 3rd October but probably give it a miss and stay at the Canterbury P&R instead.

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..plus you could pay a modest fee to take the P&R bus into Canterbury and spend some of your money in their community instead of in bloody Dover who no longer want us there.

I think we might do the same in a few days' time.
 

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Dover District Council will not bother to find an alternative because there is no revenue in it for them. They may say there will be a consultation but it is a forgone conclusion. I have lived in Dover all my life and I have found that the council do not do anything that will not bring in revenue. They are not interested in the opinions of the public they are a law unto themselves. This came about because of one idiot complaining to the paper. Most of the people who live along the seafront have more problems with seagulls and the dover council not emptying bins. The latter causes more problems and rubbish than any motorhomer. If you went into Dover you would see how it has been left to go to rack and ruin. There is no revenue being put into the town at all, one wonders where it all goes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have used the seafront a few times, always parked up the top by the marina so as not to spoil any residents veiws, then I would go into town for a meal ,and as you say , I have noticed how quiet the pubs and restaurants were, seems that the council thinks the local traders don,t need any trade from us motorhomers,,,
Maybe it's about time we stopped being subject to 54 year-old legislation, ie Section 29(1) of the Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act 1960. There's been some significant changes in vehicle ownership and holiday making trends since 1960.

I don't suppose it's occurred to Dover council to consider the French model and charge £5 a night for parking on the esplanade, thus earning a bit of revenue for the benefit of its residents?
If there is so much benefit to be gained by Dover Council from overnight camping by motorhomes why not make that case to them (including pointing out areas where the "alternative provisions for motor caravans" might be located) instead of just being negative?

Section 29(1) of the Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act 1960 does not need any changes. The exemption in Para 11 of Schedule 1 gives local authorities all the powers they need to make provision for stopover - but there is no sense at all in them doing so if the costs to their taxpayers are not at least equaled by the benefits.
 

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Just give Dover Council's Parking Management Team the telephone number of Canterbury's Parking Management Team?

It may be time that the definitions in the 1960 Caravan Sites legislation are updated so a distinction is drawn between a towed mobile dwelling and one on a fixed chassis with its own motor that can be manouevered and parked like other motor vehicles up to 3.5 tons in weight, and which can be parked overnight in streets or regular car parks.
 

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Just give Dover Council's Parking Management Team the telephone number of Canterbury's Parking Management Team?
The Canterbury P&R was designed with the stopover as an integral part - rather cheaper than altering a car park.
It may be time that the definitions in the 1960 Caravan Sites legislation are updated so a distinction is drawn between a towed mobile dwelling and one on a fixed chassis with its own motor that can be manouevered and parked like other motor vehicles up to 3.5 tons in weight, and which can be parked overnight in streets or regular car parks.
Why? What difference would it make in practice? There are still the same potential problems/costs of nuisance to residents and use of parking areas for camping.
 

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cant see many people shopping in Dover if they are parking up at midnight and going at six
 

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cant see many people shopping in Dover if they are parking up at midnight and going at six
That's part of the point about making the case for each area separately. When we stayed at Canterbury in May we were there for something like 45 hours which included two (spending) trips into the city plus topping up with provisions and fuel before moving on. Much easier to argue a boost to the local economy than somebody just stopping for a few hours.
 

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Also thank you from us, it's interesting to see that they are looking for alternatives, it wasn't long ago that there would have been a blanket ban and that would have been it. We should thank people like Graham (GJH) who've spent so much time and effort contacting councils and making them aware of the potential business that we all bring.(y)
Really, how do you work that out they have just closed somewhere for us to park and we should be thankful to the council for not putting a blanket ban in
I have just been to France for the first time, what a massive difference in attitude to M/H everywhere u go there are facities to use.
People/councils are very welcoming to us and been absoult pleasure to come here, unlike the councils back home
You right GJH does do a lot of hard work for us but even he must feel like he's swimming uphill with our lot
Bet you any money they don't find an alternative in IMO there full of shit treating us all like tinkers
 

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honestly,just don't bother with Dover, get on the tunnel you are in France sooner than you can park up over here, the extra it costs,you for the tunnel you can get back in a couple of days parking for free in Calais and cite Europe or 6 euros at gravelines
 
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