Number plates - New Regs.

[Grumpyfrog]

I apologise if this subject has already been raised, but is everyone aware of impending changes to the law regarding number plates?

"New number plate standards are also being introduced. From September 2021, plates will be made from a tougher material that is not only more resilient, but also shows up better on ANPR cameras. Two-tone number plates will not be permitted, and only solid black digits will be allowed"

I only learned of this yesterday, but I lead a sheltered life.

 

[two]

I'd have thought it fairly easy to filter out offending plates:
If APNR cannot detect a readable plate, flag the photo for human attention.

 

[The Wino]

I'd have thought it fairly easy to filter out offending plates:
If APNR cannot detect a readable plate, flag the photo for human attention.

I think there are a lot with reflective letters films on top to make photos less clear etc. An easy solution would be to require a standard plate design and make it a fine of say£200 for having a plate that doesn't comply on any age of vehicle. I can only think of one reason for having a hard to photograph no plate.

 

[Badknee]

I’ve got a perfectly legal plate on mine, it just doesn’t belong to my vehicle………..(joke)

 

[Phill D]

It's simple to police really, set the standard and make it more of an mot failure than now.
Often overlooked by mot examiners.

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[pappajohn]

It appears the only real change is 3D characters are forbidden.

Rules for number plates​

The number plates on your vehicle must:

• be made from a reflective material
• display black characters on a white background (front plate)
• display black characters on a yellow background (rear plate)
• not have a background pattern

Characters on a number plate can be 3D.

 

[two]

Sadly, I'm not sure that any change in the law will stop the so-minded from doing what they are determined to do.
They will either ignore the rules or find a way around them.

 

[Glas Robin]

We could aldso make it an offence for manufacturers to make up non-compliant plates. Given that the police rarely seem to follow up on these "minor" contraventions, this pincer movement will assist them too.

 

[pappajohn]

We could aldso make it an offence for manufacturers to make up non-compliant plates. Given that the police rarely seem to follow up on these "minor" contraventions, this pincer movement will assist them too.

It is an offence.... Unless they are sold as non-compliant show plates.
That where illegal plates come from, its doubtful any legitimate plate maker would put their contact details, a legal requirement, on an illegal plate.

 

[Glas Robin]

It is an offence.... Unless they are sold as non-compliant show plates.
That where illegal plates come from, its doubtful any legitimate plate maker would put their contact details, a legal requirement, on an illegal plate.

I didn't know that. Clearly not working then. I can see no real reason why show plates should either be able to be non compliant, or why they can't be a visibly different size to road plates.

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[pappajohn]

I didn't know that. Clearly not working then. I can see no real reason why show plates should either be able to be non compliant, or why they can't be a visibly different size to road plates.

An honest show plate provider won't put a kite mark, CE mark or their details on a plate, if they do it becomes illegal and they are open to procecution in the same way a legitimate supplier won't reposition numbers and letters to make names etc. .
Different size.... They won't pay to have specialy sized plates made when there's a constant supply of blank legally sized plates available

 

[gus-lopez]

I can only think of one reason for having a hard to photograph no plate.

Yes they wish to scam as much in fines as possible for the slightest infraction ,whilst the sensible do their best to prevent them getting anyting.
When I lived in the uK & drove large distances daily I used front & rear detectors along with radar & laser jamming systems. If I could have added auto missile launch on laser detection I would have.
.
Not so that I could speed in built up areas but just for the odd inadvertent lapse, which iswhen you suffer.
These days I'd use number plate flippers.

We have allowed them to gain control by the increasing use of cctv whilst failing to do what the job entails personally. So leading to a reduction in jobs, personnel & a huge reduction in any confidence the public ever had in those in charge.

That where illegal plates come from, its doubtful any legitimate plate maker would put their contact details, a legal requirement, on an illegal plate.

You just add a legal post code on the show plates.
I never understood why the UK allows anything other than the manfacture of legal plates.Nothing else whatsoever. By refusing to impose sensible restrictions & allowing show plates is just the same as the ambiguous advice & instructions they have continually given during the virus.It should just be " this is it, nothing else"

 

[Glas Robin]

^^^ What Gus said ^^^

 

[Nigel P]

Perhaps adopting the German system would cut out the dodgy plates. The plates are presented to the registration office/TUV and stamped with an MOT disc showing the expiry date (rather like a clock face). If the plates are not the right spec, no MOT. Quite simple, also avoids the ones who present a car for MOT with compliant plates then swap to the dodgy ones straight after.

 

[pappajohn]

You just add a legal post code on the show plates.

How? The plates are laminated from the back.
Clear plastic plate, number and letters along with postcode and kite or CE mark laid on via a template then a yellow or white plastic laminate..... All bonded and impossible to seperate without damage.

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[Spriddler]

It's simple to police really, set the standard and make it more of an mot failure than now.
Often overlooked by mot examiners.

I know several bikers who fit the regulation size plates for the MOT then swap them back afterwards for their tiny square ones perhaps with an illegal font or letters/numbers spacings as well.

 

[Geistguy]

I know several bikers who fit the regulation ones for the MOT then swap them back afterwards.

While plates are so easy to remove to get through the MOT it will never be stopped. Plates should be made to "self destruct" on removal. It's far to easy to clone or steal number plates.

I was pursued for running into a car and leaving the scene, it was in a town I'd never visited, fortunately dash cam footage showed it was a white van and not my grey motorhome.

 

[Phill D]

I know several bikers who fit the regulation ones for the MOT then swap them back afterwards.

that will never be prevented other than prosecution if stopped or involved in an accident and police involved. even then people will take the risk.

 

[Wh05apk]

It appears the only real change is 3D characters are forbidden.

On the clip you included it said they can be 3d?

Seen a load lately, they really look naff!

 

[SD j]

How? The plates are laminated from the back.
Clear plastic plate, number and letters along with postcode and kite or CE mark laid on via a template then a yellow or white plastic laminate..... All bonded and impossible to seperate without damage.

Thé show plates maker will add a postcode if you specify

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[Landy Andy]

They are just changing the rules so ANPR can pick you via cameras so they can earn more money from congestion zones, low emissions zones, speed camera, bus lanes, yellow boxes and any thing else where drivers are cash cows. All they want is your money.

 

[gus-lopez]

Perhaps adopting the German system would cut out the dodgy plates. The plates are presented to the registration office/TUV and stamped with an MOT disc showing the expiry date (rather like a clock face). If the plates are not the right spec, no MOT. Quite simple, also avoids the ones who present a car for MOT with compliant plates then swap to the dodgy ones straight after.

Yes but German plates are nothing to do with the car. They are allocated to the owner. You have to collect them yourself & show your ID card. You also have nothing to do with the manfacture of the plates.

How? The plates are laminated from the back.
Clear plastic plate, number and letters along with postcode and kite or CE mark laid on via a template then a yellow or white plastic laminate..... All bonded and impossible to seperate without damage.

stick on small black letters same as I use on van sides for tare & mgw.

 

[tonyidle]

It's simple to police really, set the standard and make it more of an mot failure than now.
Often overlooked by mot examiners.

The only Mot requirement is that it is easily read plus the obvious stuff - that's it. No check on type approval stamps, font, or much else really:

THE DVSA SAY THAT PLATES MUSTN'T:
be obscured, excessively damaged, deteriorated or delaminated
have background overprinting
have any feature or fixing that has the effect of changing the appearance or legibility of any of the characters
have a honeycomb or similar effect background on vehicles first registered on or after 1 September 2001 – back lit registration plates may have a honeycomb type construction which shouldn't be confused with a honeycomb effect background.

 

[pappajohn]

On the clip you included it said they can be 3d?

Seen a load lately, they really look naff!

Yes, but that text is as the law stands now.... The new law requires solid black characters.

 

[tonyidle]

that will never be prevented other than prosecution if stopped or involved in an accident and police involved. even then people will take the risk.

Not surprising given the size they're expected to fit.

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[gus-lopez]

If you wish you can run without number plates. It is a non-endorsable offence with a £60 penalty & 7 days with which to rectify& correctly fit plates. They'll tell you you don't have that time but you do. They can't seize the vehicle without making up some other offence so it is always best to record any conversation with them along with video to protect yourself.

 

[tonyidle]

How? The plates are laminated from the back.
Clear plastic plate, number and letters along with postcode and kite or CE mark laid on via a template then a yellow or white plastic laminate..... All bonded and impossible to seperate without damage.

The components of which are pretty readily available. 'Bonding' only occurs because of self-adhesion:

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[Phill D]

The only Mot requirement is that it is easily read plus the obvious stuff - that's it. No check on type approval stamps, font, or much else really:

THE DVSA SAY THAT PLATES MUSTN'T:
be obscured, excessively damaged, deteriorated or delaminated
have background overprinting
have any feature or fixing that has the effect of changing the appearance or legibility of any of the characters
have a honeycomb or similar effect background on vehicles first registered on or after 1 September 2001 – back lit registration plates may have a honeycomb type construction which shouldn't be confused with a honeycomb effect background.

i am aware of that, my point i guess is it COULD be made more of at the MOT if it was deemed that important.

 

[tonyidle]

i am aware of that, my point i guess is it COULD be made more of at the MOT if it was deemed that important.

Agreed. But it would move the MoT away from its primary safety function. AFAIK there are no MoT checks for anything not safety-related at present.

 

[pappajohn]

The components of which are pretty readily available. 'Bonding' only occurs because of self-adhesion:

Agreed, but you try removing the backing to add detail then get it to look as if it had never been touched.

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