Not Good In Calais Last Saturday - Migrants Ggrrrrrr!! (1 Viewer)

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The help does seem to vary though. Germany and Sweden between them have taken in as of last month nearly 100,000 refugees from Syria through not uncontrolled but strictly regulated humanitarian criteria. The UK as of last month has taken in 143 why do you think that is?
 

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The help does seem to vary though. Germany and Sweden between them have taken in as of last month nearly 100,000 refugees from Syria through not uncontrolled but strictly regulated humanitarian criteria. The UK as of last month has taken in 143 why do you think that is?
Because we are full:(
 

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The help does seem to vary though. Germany and Sweden between them have taken in as of last month nearly 100,000 refugees from Syria through not uncontrolled but strictly regulated humanitarian criteria. The UK as of last month has taken in 143 why do you think that is?
Because we have provided more financial aid.... And military aid than both of those countries...
I'm still waiting for someone to come up with a solution better than trying to solve the problem in situ.
Why ask that question.? It's well documented that the government have adopted this policy.

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Jordan and the Lebanon are worst affected. Well over 1 in 3 of the people in Lebanon are now Syrian refugees. The equivalent of over 20 million coming to the UK and Jordan is not faring much better. Huge social tensions building. They are there because munificent Britain is funding camps as close to home as possible.

There seems to be no recognition though that there is little hope of return for them or that unless anyone else picks up the bill we will be paying for decades. But hey we can rest easy we are helping eh?

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The help does seem to vary though. Germany and Sweden between them have taken in as of last month nearly 100,000 refugees from Syria through not uncontrolled but strictly regulated humanitarian criteria. The UK as of last month has taken in 143 why do you think that is?
I refer you to my (still unanswered) questions posed last Monday.
 
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Why isn't there the same problem at Dunkirk ? Always wondered.

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Because we are full:(

Let's put this in perspective: we have a high population and we are struggling with some social aspects but compared to where most Syrians come from, we are not full and have the capacity to do far more than we do.

The West has been responsible for much of the mess in North Africa and the Middle East and spent billions of pounds with war efforts yet bulks at dealing with the consequences.
 

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Let's put this in perspective: we have a high population and we are struggling with some social aspects but compared to where most Syrians come from, we are not full and have the capacity to do far more than we do.

The West has been responsible for much of the mess in North Africa and the Middle East and spent billions of pounds with war efforts yet bulks at dealing with the consequences.


No..
You are wrong..
That is not the case
Isis is not because of the West...
Al shabab is not because of the West
We already contribute more money than any country other than the USA. We are always the first to help when theres a disaster. As a country we do plenty. Please stop knocking the UK.
I do think though that we could take some extra military action to help some of the refugees in these war zones. Certainly take no more in though.
 
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Let's put this in perspective: we have a high population and we are struggling with some social aspects but compared to where most Syrians come from, we are not full and have the capacity to do far more than we do.

The West has been responsible for much of the mess in North Africa and the Middle East and spent billions of pounds with war efforts yet bulks at dealing with the consequences.

How about another perspective, The NHS is virtually on its arse, operations are being cancelled, A&E are being overrun because GP surgeries routinely cant see patients,We do not have enough care home places forth elderly and where people have to pay a contribution it is still very expensive (I just paid my mothers bill £92,000) School class sizes are such that in many schools teachers can't cope and many are in special measures. The police, fire service, social services, are facing unprecedented cuts in staff and funding. So is our border control agency which had five vessels and now only has one. There is a shortage of affordable housing, and people are using food banks. Even though there are sign that the UK is starting to come out of its previous financial crisis, it will be may years before we are on our feet and this ,we are told, can only be done with further cuts.

It would be wonderful if we, perhaps in conjunction with other EU countries could take on the worlds problems but it would be interesting to hear how you would address the questions posed by GJH. also how would you suggest our fragile infrastucture would cope, would it be acceptable for everyone presently in the UK and other EU countries to receive lesser standard in all the areas above given that the first duty of a government is the protection and welfare of its own citizens.

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Australia with a population less than a third of ours is offering asylum to 4,500 Syrian refugees

But we are putting more money into the immediate area and military resources than Australia..

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I have another question for all of you people that favour, open borders and just letting in anyone that wants to come. Leaving aside how it or they will be paid for which bit of the country would you like to concrete over to create somewhere to put them? The South Downs maybe? The Cotswolds?

I'd be willing to bet my house on the fact that all of you would be the first ones up in arms if a refugee camp was proposed 100 yards from your front door.
 
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But we are putting more money into the immediate area and military resources than Australia..
And Australia has a 'guilty secret' as exposed on TV this week
Apparently they've been keeping Asian refugees locked up behind barbed wire fences in Guinea for the over two years
Maybe this is just a publicity stunt to draw attention away from this atrocity on their own doorstep ?
 
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But 24 times the land area.

From Google:
  1. 70% of the Australian mainland is classified as semi-arid, arid or desert; making it the driest inhabited continent on Earth. Only Antarctica is drier.
 
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From Google:
  1. 70% of the Australian mainland is classified as semi-arid, arid or desert; making it the driest inhabited continent on Earth. Only Antarctica is drier.

Your point?

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I think this is a problem for the United Nations rather than the European Union
Do the fighting age young men from Africa and the Middle East have a right to expect to be housed by Europe just because they want a higher standard of living?
Would in not be better for the international community to work together to help families stay in their own countries/cultures by providing safe havens in the Middle East and Africa?
 
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From Google:
  1. 70% of the Australian mainland is classified as semi-arid, arid or desert; making it the driest inhabited continent on Earth. Only Antarctica is drier.

OK, let's assume that that 70% is completely uninhabitable.

The remaining 30% is still just over 7 times bigger than the British Isles with a population that is 40% of that of the UK.

Do you think that they might have just a tiny bit more space than we do?
 

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No..
You are wrong..
That is not the case
Isis is not because of the West...
Al shabab is not because of the West
We already contribute more money than any country other than the USA. We are always the first to help when theres a disaster. As a country we do plenty. Please stop knocking the UK.
I do think though that we could take some extra military action to help some of the refugees in these war zones. Certainly take no more in though.

Suggest you do a little background reading...

Islamic State grew out of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, a Salafi group, which sprung into the Mujahideen Shura Council through a series of amalgamations of different groups. Likewise Al-Shabaab has its beginnings linked to Al-Qaeda.

And of course Al-Qaeda sprung out of that merry band of brothers the CIA funded to fight the soviets in Afghanistan .......so we reap what we sow. And don't forget the Saudis and Pakistanis involvement - oh no we can't mention that as they're our allies.

You are also wrong about the aid.

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Suggest you do a little background reading...

Islamic State grew out of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, a Salafi group, which sprung into the Mujahideen Shura Council through a series of amalgamations of different groups. Likewise Al-Shabaab has its beginnings linked to Al-Qaeda.

And of course Al-Qaeda sprung out of that merry band of brothers the CIA funded to fight the soviets in Afghanistan .......so we reap what we sow. And don't forget the Saudis and Pakistanis involvement - oh no we can't mention that as they're our allies.

You are also wrong about the aid.
.. Well maybe you should read up. Daesh swore allegiance to aq (in iraq) but were a seperate entity. Its true that they fought as part of the insurgency there by they were even more anti Shia than anti iraqi government. They became a big issue in 2005 or 2006 when they set up their caliphate.. Based initialy in Syria... As they recruited there.
Al shabab was a criminal organisation that justified is existence and modified is aims by initialy declaring allegiance to iq and now to isis...
Your summary of aq seems to be confused with the taliban.
As for your assessment of us providing less aid(??) than other countries... Again not sure where you got that from.
But this is about calais and entire failed states moving to Europe.
My views stand and it seems I'm not alone.
There have been some questions asked in this forum but all we get is the same anti western rhetoric where we blame ourselves for everything and have to take everyone in to cleanse our souls.
How about some answers.. But try and stick to the topic and budget.
11.4bn on overseas aid last year btw
Australia... 4bn.. Dollars
 
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Parts of the World are rich, much of the rest is poor...........................

I am surprised it's taken so long for the poor to realise this and try and 'share' the wealth

For all those who moan about austerity here and want to cut back on foreign aid I would suggest it's better to help the poor in their own countries than have them come here... better for them ...better for us


We just need to make sure that the aid gets to the poor to help them improve their 'lot', not their corrupt leaders

The French revolution is an example of the consequences of wealth imbalance...if only in one country




......and count your blessings that by shear chance you happened to be born 'rich'

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HEADS UP.

Just watching BBC news, there is a great deal of migrant activity on the motorway leading to Calais port, which we are told is closed till late this evening due to being blockaded by French port workers over a dispute. This is causing tailbacks on the approach to Eurotunnel as the migrants are trying to get into slow moving lorries.

If you are due to return to UK today it might be wise to telephone your crossing service for an update and perhaps change your crossing to tomorrow. Good Luck
 

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