No overnighting, what do you do ?

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If you park up and no overnight stops allowed signs are up, say Forrestry Commision land, do you ignore and stay anyway ?
 
Yorick said:
is this a trick question ?

If it says no, then it means no.

If you say I can't burgle your house, is it OK if I still do ?
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A bit harsh maybe? You're correct of course but bear in mind that in England at least it is illegal to overnight anywhere that isn't designated as a campsite or subject to one of the few exemptions. Signs or no signs.

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tonyidle said:
A bit harsh maybe? You're correct of course but bear in mind that in England at least it is illegal to overnight anywhere that isn't designated as a campsite or subject to one of the few exemptions. Signs or no signs.
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Not if you’ve got an HGV! :whistle:

Ian
 
I usually park right in front of the sign :)

I've found in many years of wildparking the signs are only bothered about when it suits them.
The ones in Scotland were deemed illegal and were removed ...in Spain it seems they are bothered in peak season yet couldn't care less in off season.
I'm actually parked on a spot in France tonight where there's a sign saying no caravans or motorhomes. Police passed earlier didn't seem concerned.
If asked to move I move otherwise I tend not to pay much attention to the signs.
 
Yorick said:
is this a trick question ?

If it says no, then it means no.

If you say I can't burgle your house, is it OK if I still do ?
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Completely different thing.

Parking on a piece of land is completely different from theft

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tonyidle said:
A bit harsh maybe? You're correct of course but bear in mind that in England at least it is illegal to overnight anywhere that isn't designated as a campsite or subject to one of the few exemptions. Signs or no signs.
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Never heard of this.
Do you know what act it is covered by ?
 
Northernraider said:
1960's camping and caravan act apparently

Biggest load of tosh ever written but councils love it as do the 2 big camping and caravanning clubs
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Just having a quick read of this and it is to do with camping and caravanning. nothing to do with sleeping in your motorhome from what i can see so far.
Also it is the landowner who needs to licence their land. Who does this for common land ? Just found that answer it is the local council
My house has a deed on it that says no caravans. It has 2 motorhomes on it (we is posh and rich! (not)) and the neighbours (God bless em) decided to notify the local parish council (god bless em) and sent me a lovely letter reminding me about the deeds and asked me ever so politely to remove caravans from driveway. I sent them a lovely photo back of my driveway with 2 motorhomes on it and saying i couldnt find the caravans and asked them to point them out to me. Nothing heard back. Neighbours didnt like it and moaned directly to us. So we parked them out on the road for a night making it nigh on impossible for them to get to their driveway. nobody has complained since.

Section 29 states -
(1)In this Part of this Act, unless the context otherwise requires—

  • “caravan” means any structure designed or adapted for human habitation which is capable of being moved from one place to another (whether by being towed, or by being transported on a motor vehicle or trailer) and any motor vehicle so designed or adapted, but does not include—

    (a)
    any railway rolling stock which is for the time being on rails forming part of a railway system, or

    (b)
    any tent;
However this is overwritten by section 2 of the first schedule (for most of us who stay only one or 2 nights)

Use by a person travelling with a caravan for one or two nights
2Subject to the provisions of paragraph 13 of this Schedule, a site licence shall not be required for the use of land as a caravan site by a person travelling with a caravan who brings the caravan on to the land for a period which includes not more than two nights—

(a)if during that period no other caravan is stationed for the purposes of human habitation on that land or any adjoining land in the same occupation, and

(b)if, in the period of twelve months ending with the day on which the caravan is brought on to the land, the number of days on which a caravan was stationed anywhere on that land or the said adjoining land for the purposes of human habitation did not exceed twenty-eight.
 
Yorick said:
is this a trick question ?

If it says no, then it means no.

If you say I can't burgle your house, is it OK if I still do ?
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I agree if it says No it means No. Ignoring the signs often leads to more legislation against overnight parking of motorhomes. We reap what we sow

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It depends, in West Wales for instance there are some lovely places to park right on or very near beaches. These have prohibit signs up and if you stay overnight any time between Easter and September you will get ticketed or moved on. But outside of those months, as long as it's only a night, no one bothers you.
 
ivorantony said:
So my Motorhome is registered as a private HGV so does that mean I’m allowed rest stops on the highway legally?
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If you pay the same road fund licence as the transport HGV then I don't see why not...(y)
 
suavecarve said:
Just having a quick read of this and it is to do with camping and caravanning. nothing to do with sleeping in your motorhome from what i can see so far.
Also it is the landowner who needs to licence their land. Who does this for common land ? Just found that answer it is the local council
My house has a deed on it that says no caravans. It has 2 motorhomes on it (we is posh and rich! (not)) and the neighbours (God bless em) decided to notify the local parish council (god bless em) and sent me a lovely letter reminding me about the deeds and asked me ever so politely to remove caravans from driveway. I sent them a lovely photo back of my driveway with 2 motorhomes on it and saying i couldnt find the caravans and asked them to point them out to me. Nothing heard back. Neighbours didnt like it and moaned directly to us. So we parked them out on the road for a night making it nigh on impossible for them to get to their driveway. nobody has complained since.

Section 29 states -
(1)In this Part of this Act, unless the context otherwise requires—

  • “caravan” means any structure designed or adapted for human habitation which is capable of being moved from one place to another (whether by being towed, or by being transported on a motor vehicle or trailer) and any motor vehicle so designed or adapted, but does not include—

    (a)
    any railway rolling stock which is for the time being on rails forming part of a railway system, or

    (b)
    any tent;
However this is overwritten by section 2 of the first schedule (for most of us who stay only one or 2 nights)

Use by a person travelling with a caravan for one or two nights
2Subject to the provisions of paragraph 13 of this Schedule, a site licence shall not be required for the use of land as a caravan site by a person travelling with a caravan who brings the caravan on to the land for a period which includes not more than two nights—

(a)if during that period no other caravan is stationed for the purposes of human habitation on that land or any adjoining land in the same occupation, and

(b)if, in the period of twelve months ending with the day on which the caravan is brought on to the land, the number of days on which a caravan was stationed anywhere on that land or the said adjoining land for the purposes of human habitation did not exceed twenty-eight.
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I wouldn't entertain buying a house next door to a home with two motorhomes parked in the front garden, so you could say your neighbor has a fair complaint as your unsocial behavior will be affecting the value of their own property....
 
This subject has been done to death and the correct answers (and far more wrong ones) can be found in many other threads . However, just to clarify a couple of points.
tonyidle said:
A bit harsh maybe? You're correct of course but bear in mind that in England at least it is illegal to overnight anywhere that isn't designated as a campsite or subject to one of the few exemptions. Signs or no signs.
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That is not completely correct. It is legal to camp in a lay-by or at the roadside so long as it is not long-term.
suavecarve said:
Just having a quick read of this and it is to do with camping and caravanning. nothing to do with sleeping in your motorhome from what i can see so far.
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It is everything to do with sleeping in your motorhome as that is habitation, which the 1960 Act controls.

Anyone wishing to understand what the law says (rather than any tosh written by people who want to justify what they want to do no matter what) should look at either my own web site (address below) or that of Andy Clarke, https://www.ukmotorhomes.net/

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Jim said:
I bought a house and the neighbour has 135 motorhomes in their garden!
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Nice......I would think that along your coast it would be difficult to find somewhere without a caravan parked next door.
 
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If it says no, then please don't, otherwise you and others may encourage barriers or gates to be erected, which spoil it for other users who then cannot visit these places during permitted times
 
one thing no one ever thinks about in these circumstances, if you park anywhere where there is a chance of being moved on do not drink alcohol as you will be libel if driving or even sitting in the front seat.
 
Nikki said:
If it says no, then please don't, otherwise you and others may encourage barriers or gates to be erected, which spoil it for other users who then cannot visit these places during permitted times
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Most barriers have been erected as a result of 'Travelers' and fly tippers' abuse rather than Motorhomers........

Regularly motorhomers are 'jumped on' without real reason (or is it envy or local campsite owners?) such as the report of a motorhome taking mother and child places in a supermarket carpark even though the owner claimed to have been given permision...

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Jim said:
It depends, in West Wales for instance there are some lovely places to park right on or very near beaches. These have prohibit signs up and if you stay overnight any time between Easter and September you will get ticketed or moved on. But outside of those months, as long as it's only a night, no one bothers you.
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Doesn't mean it's right though Jim, the signs still say no! And that should be accepted.
 
In the New forest it is because of pressure from residents seeing people in motorhomes spend nights in places they are not supposed to, not because of travellers
 

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