No more Fiat 160 Bhp's

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A Customer Services chap from Stellantis ( Fiat ) finally phoned me after waiting 2 weeks of me enquiring to confirm that the Fiat 160 bhp has been dropped . If you have ordered a 160 bhp Fiat I would advise you to contact your dealer as if like me, my dealer did not contact me.
 
I've heard that 5000 UK fiat van orders have been cancelled. Many of the S8 Ducatos won't be made. Orders have been cancelled!
 
I have no idea why it's been dropped I first read about it in this September's MMM magazine. It was the Pilote Sales guy in an article who said it was dropped, as I asked on a earlier post is the 140 Bhp with a 9 speed automatic capable or gutless.
 
160 appears to have been dropped through out Europe. Eairler in the year word was only to be dropped on RHD. Now all 160`s dropped probably to streamline production with all the supply problems.

All RHD Fiat Carthago's, 180 with auto box is standard.
LHD you can still have the 140, smaller vans at the show all had the 140 with auto box.

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Tony50 said:
I have no idea why it's been dropped I first read about it in this September's MMM magazine. It was the Pilote Sales guy in an article who said it was dropped, as I asked on a earlier post is the 140 Bhp with a 9 speed automatic capable or gutless.
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You have already started a pretty much identical post at 12.49pm today as you have alluded too and to which I made a contribution; curious as to why you started another? Why not just give it a bump to create more contributions?
 
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dash300 said:
You have already started a pretty much identical post at 12.49pm today as you have alluded too and to which I made a contribution; curious as to why you started another? Why not just give it a bump to create more contributions?
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Because some might have been interested in the title of the post which was asking whether a 140 bhp Automatic would be any good on 3500kg near totally different post.
 
Could it be that it would be too expensive to develope the engine to meet future emission levels?

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Would any commercial van buyers want a 160 hp van or better mpg considering the price of fuel now?
 
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Hope this is due to industry supply problems and not technical problems as mine is built and with the dealers being prepared for delivery
 
When we ordered our van nearly 18 months ago we ordered a 160 and paid more to get it, I saw a rite up saying that 2022 fiat vans were going to be 2.2 150bhp so I contacted the dealer who said it was going to be a 160bhp. The van arrived in April 2022 and had the very latest dashboard and was a 2.2, at this point I thought the dealer was wrong and it was going to be a 150bhp not a 160bhp but they wouldn’t have it and said they were still charging us for the 160 which was around 2k more. I waited for the log book to come and sent a copy to Fiat customer service, a few days later they sent me an email with the engine build detail which stated that although it was the new 2.2L it was in fact a 160bhp, I don’t really understand. It’s done 400 miles now so the engine is still very tight but I still think it’s not as powerful as my previous 2.3 160.
Time will tell.
 
jako999 said:
I still think it’s not as powerful as my previous 2.3 160.
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There didn't do a 2.3, 160, I think you mean 150.
My 150 was very sluggish until it had done 5000 and not fully on song until 10000.
See how it is after you have racked up 10k.
Fiat don't consider them run in until 15k.
 
Just looked on Fiats U K web site and there only two engine options available for new vans 140bhp or 180bhp strange

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Lenny HB said:
160 appears to have been dropped through out Europe. Eairler in the year word was only to be dropped on RHD. Now all 160`s dropped probably to streamline production with all the supply problems.

All RHD Fiat Carthago's, 180 with auto box is standard.
LHD you can still have the 140, smaller vans at the show all had the 140 with auto box.
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I've heard the same thing. They are trying to decrease complexity on the production line. So they've eliminated one of the engines. It's not just engines. Lots of orders are being either given free upgrades (so all vans are optioned to the same level) or being told a feature isn't available. RHD production runs are being batched instead of the normal intermixing.

It's all down to supply issues. If you've got lots of variance in the build and need to carry many different types of part, it only takes a few random part numbers to not arrive to affect a lot of vehicles in different ways. But if your vehicles are more uniform, supply issues are less likely and it's also easier to swap orders around to keep the production line running.
 
Different publications show different power outputs.
Ours is a 2022 Peugeot that clearly shows 165 bhp. The badge on the side says 165, the docs say 165.
Is this the same engine as in the Fiat?
Done 7500 miles now and it loosened well now. Nice to know it will get a little better with more miles.
 
bobnick said:
Different publications show different power outputs.
Ours is a 2022 Peugeot that clearly shows 165 bhp. The badge on the side says 165, the docs say 165.
Is this the same engine as in the Fiat?
Done 7500 miles now and it loosened well now. Nice to know it will get a little better with more miles.
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I think the Boxer is the Ford Blue HDI engine, the Fiat is the Iveco Multijet.

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I have a 140 on order and if not enough power I will get it mapped
Far cheaper than paying fiat for the extra power
 
Dave7 said:
I have a 140 on order and if not enough power I will get it mapped
Far cheaper than paying fiat for the extra power
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Could be a lot more expensive if it goes pop under warranty.
The 180 is not just a software update it has a different turbo, different pistons heaver big ends. The 180 weighs 20 kg more than the 140.
 
Should be fine though as long as done by a reputable company
Not sure what the difference is on the 160
Ive had my car go from 351 to 451
And been fine
 
Dave7 said:
Should be fine though as long as done by a reputable company
Not sure what the difference is on the 160
Ive had my car go from 351 to 451
And been fine
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Not a problem with the mapping but if you had major engine problem not related to maping. They can interigate the ECU find out its been mapped then refuse a warranty claim.

The cost of the 180 varies with the converter not too expensive with some.
 
Lenny HB said:
Not a problem with the mapping but if you had major engine problem not related to maping. They can interigate the ECU find out its been mapped then refuse a warranty claim.

The cost of the 180 varies with the converter not too expensive with some.
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I agree never had any of my motorhomes mapped, I think the manufactures make engines for all terrains/ temperatures , my son's mate tests for Ford's in coldest and hot climates,( north Norway and Arizona USA) and does extensive tests

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Dave7 said:
I have a 140 on order and if not enough power I will get it mapped
Far cheaper than paying fiat for the extra power
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Is it the auto gearbox?
I guess that they will now only supply plus 140HP engines with the auto box because of the historically weak Ducato clutch.
It could be that they are happier supplying the new high torque engines only with the 9 speed ZF gearbox that can easy handle a much higher torque and load
 
I have a Carthago 160 auto on order for delivery in March ’23 (a year late). Just spoken to my dealer who says this is unchanged. They saw Carthago at the Dusseldorf show with no mention of changes/cancellations.
 
Guigsy said:
I've heard the same thing. They are trying to decrease complexity on the production line. So they've eliminated one of the engines. It's not just engines. Lots of orders are being either given free upgrades (so all vans are optioned to the same level) or being told a feature isn't available. RHD production runs are being batched instead of the normal intermixing.

It's all down to supply issues. If you've got lots of variance in the build and need to carry many different types of part, it only takes a few random part numbers to not arrive to affect a lot of vehicles in different ways. But if your vehicles are more uniform, supply issues are less likely and it's also easier to swap orders around to keep the production line running.
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Spot on.
My dealer has just told me existing 160 orders are being honoured. Expecting mine next month but he is double checking now
 
stevec said:
I have a Carthago 160 auto on order for delivery in March ’23 (a year late). Just spoken to my dealer who says this is unchanged. They saw Carthago at the Dusseldorf show with no mention of changes/cancellations.
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2023 Carthago's 180 & auto is standard no other engine or gearbox option for RHD.
I could have had a 140 as I have ordered LHD.
160 has been discontinued.
 
bobnick said:
Could it be that it would be too expensive to develope the engine to meet future emission levels?
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It is basically the same engine with a few different parts.

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