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Has anybody recently affixed a new updated VIN label on their motorhome if so can I ask where you got it from.?

Just updated my max weight and need to update the VIN plate.

cheers Phil
 

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Could ask, is it a metal plate or a stick on, supplied by the engineers who did the report.
 
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Van weight engineering and SV tech supply self adhesive ones when they do the paperwork so may be able to help.
 
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It's not a VIN plate that is put on by the chassis manufacturer.

You are after the weight plate not sure of the technical term. Legally they can only be supplied by a recognised engineer.
But a few supplies on eBay they often refer to them as a show plate for legal reasons.

 
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I think I now know what you are asking for.

I appreciate that you have less than a year in motorhoming and, assuming that,
I hope you don't mind if I also assume that you know nothing about the legalities
involved with your 'van's weight.

Nearly all motorhomes start life as either a 'works van'. which we call a PVC, a chassis
with a van front end or just a front that has a chassis bolted onto the back of it during manufacture.
Additionally, some manufacturers buy just a chassis and put their own complete body on the chassis.
That finishes up as an A Class motorhome.

All those units have a VIN Plate attached to it, usually riveted on the engine compartment crossbeam.
It can be seen when you lift the bonnet. That VIN plate has the identification No. of
the Engine and Chassis. Additionally there are weight limits for the axles, the Maximum Authorised
Mass (it's Gross Weight) and the gross weight of the outfit if it were to tow a trailer. That's called
it's Train Weight.

Sometimes the manufacturer of the motorhome attaches their own weight plate which alters
the specification identified by the vehicles original builder. It is not unusual to find several
of these plates under the bonnet. There's the vehicle builder, another one from the converter
of the vehicle and then possibly others.

If you buy such a vehicle there will be a date and you should comply with the last plate attached.
The weights on the plate should mirror the weight showing on your V5C (Log Book)
The thing is, all those plates will have been placed on the van with due consideration to the
ability of the tyres, brakes, chassis etc to be able to carry that weight.

Unless you are a qualified engineer specialising in vehicle specs., a layperson cannot decide for themselves
that they would like to alter the maximum weight of either the vehicle as a whole, the axles or even the
towing ability.

In order to do that, one should submit your vehicles details to a Company that is authorised to do so,
(Van Weight Engineering, and SV Tech being two) They will look at the spec. of your van and tell you
what they can do to assist you in increasing (and sometimes decreasing) the weights.
Should you wish to alter the last weight plate shown and they agree, for a fee, they will issue you
with a Certificate that you can send off to DVLA and a sticky label weight certificate for the van.

The usual place for you attach the sticky label is either on the outside near to the front offside door
or possibly in the door jamb itself. It's somethingthat you should be able to show either the Police
or an officer of DVSA (Driver Vehicle Standards Agency). They are the people who you are likely to
come into contact with should they wish to check the weight of your outfit.

I hope I've covered all bases.

If you have any further questions, come back and I'll try harder.
 
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Emmit

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If the upgrade is a DIY job will you be able to update your vehicle's V5 to show the new weight?

If you wish to 'up' the weights shown on the V5C and the plate you will have to show
to DVLA that you are competent to do it.

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Vintags.com might be able to help

Glad you have got it sorted, scary to think it's probably been running overweight for the 3 years you have been driving it
 
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If you wish to 'up' the weights shown on the V5C and the plate you will have to show
to DVLA that you are competent to do it.
Vintags.com might be able to help

Glad you have got it sorted, scary to think it's probably been running overweight for the 3 years you have been driving it
I had a chat with the DVSA and was told by them that 80% of all motorhomes pulled over and inspected were found to be overweight, hence why I’m doing this exercise as I don’t want to be the one at the roadside in France Off loading and being fined.
 
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If you wish to 'up' the weights shown on the V5C and the plate you will have to show
to DVLA that you are competent to do it.
All done Emmit, I am a mechanical engineer and obtained a report stating the weight can be increased without the need to do any modifications. It’s scary to think that there are lots of motorhomes on the roads today that are overweight.
 
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Emmit

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The thing is, the 'Plated Weight' on many vans in this country are patently incorrect
and are the figment of a motorhome manufacturers imagination purely as a marketing
tool to capture as much of the market as they think is necessary.

Nearly all the vans on the road that are plated at 3500kgs can legally carry more load
but for the limitations placed on the load by statutory limitations.

Our van came out of the factory at 4000kgs. When we bought it, the previous owner
had it 'downplated' to 3500kgs so they could drive it on the licence they had.

I would suggest that, unless the previous owners carried no food, no equipment, little gas bottles
with nothing in them, (they didn't, it had two Gaslow bottles,) no water and stopped every 50 miles for 2 galls of diesel,
it would have been neigh on impossible to get under that limit.

At the same time, there are manufacturers out there who think it perfectly alright to sell a
7.5mtrs+ van, designed to carry six people and plate the van at 3.5 tonnes.

They want outing, Roller Team consider yourself shamed.
 
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pxh38257
Jun 22, 2019
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The thing is, the 'Plated Weight' on many vans in this country are patently incorrect
and are the figment of a motorhome manufacturers imagination purely as a marketing
tool to capture as much of the market as they think is necessary.

Nearly all the vans on the road that are plated at 3500kgs can legally carry more load
but for the limitations placed on the load by statutory limitations.

Our van came out of the factory at 4000kgs. When we bought it, the previous owner
had it 'downplated' to 3500kgs so they could drive it on the licence they had.

I would suggest that, unless the previous owners carried no food, no equipment, little gas bottles
with nothing in them, (they didn't, it had two Gaslow bottles,) no water and stopped every 50 miles for 2 galls of diesel,
it would have been neigh on impossible to get under that limit.

At the same time, there are manufacturers out there who think it perfectly alright to sell a
7.5mtrs+ van, designed to carry six people and plate the van at 3.5 tonnes.

They want outing, Roller Team consider yourself shamed.
I had a conversation with one owner who had the same model as ours but plated at only 3500kgs who had fitted air con, solar panel, sat dish, tow bar, bike rack and a self levelling system. He knew it was at least 4000kgs before he and his family were in but because he normally towed a very small car the total weight was still under the max train weight of the motorhome so thought it OK. I think I would rather be behind him going downhill than in front.

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