New Morelo collection & disappoints

[jongood]

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[Coolcats]

My track/ road car has an 1800 cc engine, normal driving it’s about 22mpg, on a spirited drive it drops to around 18mpg and full bore on a track it’s around 8 mpg. Unspent fuel is dumped in to the exhaust which at certain reves or loads will pop bang and spit flames you can smell the unburnt fuel.

We have these vehicles be it a fast car or a Motorhome they can be considered as lifestyle toys and a privilege to own. They are not cheap but give us a lot of freedom, fun and meaning. Our generations are fortunate to have such vehicles

 

[chaser]

Doesn't anyone else wonder why after about 150 years of making engines we haven't got to having an engine that doesn't break down or any better mpg than 50 years ago.?

 

[Grummyb]

The basic engine is the same as it was 50 years ago it's just all ancillary crap and manufacturers desire to squeeze an 1 mpg out if it by reducing weight etc that causes the breakdowns

 

[captainPaul]

I remember many years back when I had a series of Ford Cosworths 4 of them altogether 2 x Sierra Saphires 1 was 4x4 & 1 was RWD also an Escort Cosworth standard 4x4 and the legendary RS 500 RWD (wish I still had any of them now lol) but I distinctly remember that regardless of how you drove them, boot to the board or tootling around the countryside they always seemed to constantly return around 28 mpg
I was never able to work that out

 

[chaser]

I remember many years back when I had a series of Ford Cosworths 4 of them altogether 2 x Sierra Saphires 1 was 4x4 & 1 was RWD also an Escort Cosworth standard 4x4 and the legendary RS 500 RWD (wish I still had any of them now lol) but I distinctly remember that regardless of how you drove them, boot to the board or tootling around the countryside they always seemed to constantly return around 28 mpg
I was never able to work that out

Talking of fords , look at the old transits, state of the art 50 years ago, engines that would go for ever , the van that every business strived for now they have gone so far down hill that they even lag behind fiats, unthinkable 50 years ago.
I know they rotted to hell but I am talking of engine reliability.

 

[Mr porky]

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Talking of fords , look at the old transits, state of the art 50 years ago, engines that would go for ever , the van that every business strived for now they have gone so far down hill that they even lag behind fiats, unthinkable 50 years ago.
I know they rotted to hell but I am talking of engine reliability.

Owned 1 once, until it was stolen.
A highly sought after diesel engine, which apparently was suitable to be fitted into Mumbai taxis. Well that's what the police said.

 

[wildcampers69]

I remember many years back when I had a series of Ford Cosworths 4 of them altogether 2 x Sierra Saphires 1 was 4x4 & 1 was RWD also an Escort Cosworth standard 4x4 and the legendary RS 500 RWD (wish I still had any of them now lol) but I distinctly remember that regardless of how you drove them, boot to the board or tootling around the countryside they always seemed to constantly return around 28 mpg
I was never able to work that out

Ford have just announced they are to rejoin the WRC after 16 years away they say its down to the new rules which allow any engine at all.

 

[mitzimad]

Talking of fords , look at the old transits, state of the art 50 years ago, engines that would go for ever , the van that every business strived for now they have gone so far down hill that they even lag behind fiats, unthinkable 50 years ago.
I know they rotted to hell but I am talking of engine reliability.

Think your wearing your rose colored glasses chas we changed that many v4s in transits we had it down to 3 hours
At one point in the late seventies i had a breakers yard and we were scrapping corsairs for the v4 engines

 

[mitzimad]

Ford have just announced they are to rejoin the WRC after 16 years away they say its down to the new rules which allow any engine at all.

So whose engine they going to use?

 

[captainPaul]

Talking of fords , look at the old transits, state of the art 50 years ago, engines that would go for ever , the van that every business strived for now they have gone so far down hill that they even lag behind fiats, unthinkable 50 years ago.
I know they rotted to hell but I am talking of engine reliability.

I think most vans in general have taken a tumble
My personal work vans have always been VW Crafters and I change them every 3 or 4 years but I've mates who still own the older ones pre 2018 and they all reckon the older ones are much better to drive and more reliable than my ones
But I recently bought a VW electric transporter van and its a completely different ball game I only have it a few months but with a full 5 year warranty (10 years battery) and all free servicing and any MOTs if applicable all included you cant really go wrong
I know electric is not everyone's cup of tea but ive been so impressed im considering swapping out all my work vans for electric and maybe keep one diesel if we need it
Speaking of the Ford again VW have actually teamed up with Ford to manufacture their EVs but i reckon down the line lots of medium size vans buyers like myself will go all electric

 

[JockandRita]

That’s at 16mpg. which my last van delivered

That pretty good for 7.7 litre or whatever it was especially considering a 3 litre daily does about 18mpg (possibly 19 downhill) and is about half the weight

My thoughts too with rarely reaching 20mpg on our 3.0ltr Flair plated at 6850Kgs. Our old Hymer 2.8TDi plated at 5500Kgs often got 25mpg, especially when touring abroad.

stewartwebr & Garry, safe crossing tonight both, and onward to Morelo.

Cheers,

Jock.

 

[wildcampers69]

So whose engine they going to use?

The rule is about the type of engine you can use anything from a V8 raptor down to a full electric/hybrid so the development costs are reduced, obviously Ford will use a Ford engine or at least on they currently fit, though it does mean VW can use a ford transporter engine. (dont mean to upset any vw transporter devotees)

 

[chaser]

Think your wearing your rose colored glasses chas we changed that many v4s in transits we had it down to 3 hours
At one point in the late seventies i had a breakers yard and we were scrapping corsairs for the v4 engines

Talking banana diesels, I haven't had anything petrol since my last rover 2000 in seventies.

 

[neilydun]

Talking banana diesels, I haven't had anything petrol since my last rover 2000 in seventies.

Personally, I think the introduction of Euro 7 will be the end of diesels.
I have found Euro 6 to be totally unreliable.
Mostly due to Ad blu failures & other emission reduction measures.
Electric is not quite there yet for light commercials, but its not far off.

 

[bobnick]

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[Landy Andy]

Doesn't anyone else wonder why after about 150 years of making engines we haven't got to having an engine that doesn't break down or any better mpg than 50 years ago.?

Being reliable, fixable, and good quality doesn’t make them money.

My Defender is over 20 years old. A new battery, new starter, and warped exhaust manifold that had to be skimmed flat in that time doesn’t earn manufacturers the big money they want. Vehicles only have to be as good as the rest, not outstandingly good/better

 

[jongood]

Talking of fords , look at the old transits, state of the art 50 years ago, engines that would go for ever , the van that every business strived for now they have gone so far down hill that they even lag behind fiats, unthinkable 50 years ago.
I know they rotted to hell but I am talking of engine reliability.

Much if the unreliability is down to emissions, DPf, EGR, Adblue, stop/start, lightened timing chains, lighter cranks etc.

 

[jongood]

I think most vans in general have taken a tumble
My personal work vans have always been VW Crafters and I change them every 3 or 4 years but I've mates who still own the older ones pre 2018 and they all reckon the older ones are much better to drive and more reliable than my ones
But I recently bought a VW electric transporter van and its a completely different ball game I only have it a few months but with a full 5 year warranty (10 years battery) and all free servicing and any MOTs if applicable all included you cant really go wrong
I know electric is not everyone's cup of tea but ive been so impressed im considering swapping out all my work vans for electric and maybe keep one diesel if we need it
Speaking of the Ford again VW have actually teamed up with Ford to manufacture their EVs but i reckon down the line lots of medium size vans buyers like myself will go all electric

Good point Paul, but are you ready for a BEV motorhome?

 

[captainPaul]

Good point Paul, but are you ready for a BEV motorhome?

I think they'll come Jon on down the line, biggest issues are probably payload... the amount of battery to give you say 500 miles on a 3.5t van
That Sceptre I had had a range of 330 miles and a revenue and mass weight of 3400kg on the V5 but the battery was around 700 or 800kg!
I think some manufacturers are knocking on the door but I reckon it'll be possibly 10 years before electric motorhomes are a thing but you never know it could be sooner or maybe never
But there'll always be road room for our trusty old diesels, at least in our life times anyway

 

[MichaelT]

I think they'll come Jon on down the line, biggest issues are probably payload... the amount of battery to give you say 500 miles on a 3.5t van
That Sceptre I had had a range of 330 miles and a revenue and mass weight of 3400kg on the V5 but the battery was around 700 or 800kg!
I think some manufacturers are knocking on the door but I reckon it'll be possibly 10 years before electric motorhomes are a thing but you never know it could be sooner or maybe never
But there'll always be road room for our trusty old diesels, at least in our life times anyway

I've seen loads of Amazon, Post Office and other electric delivery vans about. Amazon must do 200 to 300 miles a day. Range is not an issue really for cars as average drive is 26 miles, 300 on a MH would be plenty when you factor in stops for coffee, lunch, loo etc then overnight with somewhere there is a charger or EHU even a supermarket.

 

[gus-lopez]

Amazon must do 200 to 300 miles a day.

I am 40 miles from an amazon centre they use diesels here.They tried ev but it would not work. Now they stick to using ev locally to them so they can say they are using ev's & stuff farther afield they passon to white van man for them to deliver.




I assumed chaser meant the pre banana/ banana engine for the transit.*The V4 was an absolute pile of junk & petrol. As an aside I read somewhere that from the first V4 engine to the last one made there was only three interchangeable parts as they modified it so many times.

* we still have mountains of them here running around.

 

[Dutch 68]

I think they'll come Jon on down the line, biggest issues are probably payload... the amount of battery to give you say 500 miles on a 3.5t van
That Sceptre I had had a range of 330 miles and a revenue and mass weight of 3400kg on the V5 but the battery was around 700 or 800kg!
I think some manufacturers are knocking on the door but I reckon it'll be possibly 10 years before electric motorhomes are a thing but you never know it could be sooner or maybe never
But there'll always be road room for our trusty old diesels, at least in our life times anyway

Had to think about you seeing this today Paul

 

[captainPaul]

Had to think about you seeing this today PaulView attachment 1269315View attachment 1269316View attachment 1269317

Great place to get rid of any excess money you might have!

 

[captainPaul]

That new Sunseeker Ocean there makes my last boat the Sunseeker Predator 72 look dated now! lol

 

[captainPaul]

Just checked the lads ferry crossing over to Holland tonight and a nice smooth crossing is on the cards for them

 

[Coolcats]

Doesn't anyone else wonder why after about 150 years of making engines we haven't got to having an engine that doesn't break down or any better mpg than 50 years ago.?

Erm my old 16:00 GT cortina did 25mpg today I can get 55-60 out of the Golf GT and yes fuel consumption has became much better.

 

[jongood]

I've seen loads of Amazon, Post Office and other electric delivery vans about. Amazon must do 200 to 300 miles a day. Range is not an issue really for cars as average drive is 26 miles, 300 on a MH would be plenty when you factor in stops for coffee, lunch, loo etc then overnight with somewhere there is a charger or EHU even a supermarket.

I don't think the average Amazon van carries much weight and doubt they do 200 miles/day, difference is that even a PVC is usually on or over 3500kgs. So being generous - 220 miles will get me to a ferry, but then what? I can't see us plugging in on DFDS/BF/ET etc.

OK low daily miles when I'm where I want to be but Ive got to get there first and do I want to spend my time looking and waiting on chargers? Not at all, I will spend my usual 10 minutes at a pump, pay accordingly and then carry on.

 

[bobnick]

Not come across many/any sites that have EV chargers for the car let alone a MH.

 

[BikerGraham]

Was at the aire in Beaune last night and came across a coachbult (c-class) Concorde on a Mercedes.

Not seen one of those before.

p.s. yes folks I did say an aire a rare event for us but the municipal site was full. Bloody expensive too at €11.70 for 24 hours.