Multiple 2 month / 60? Day stays in eu - how do I calculate to maximise time number of trips a year? (1 Viewer)

[Tandy]

Multiple 2 month / 60? Day stays in eu - how do I calculate to maximise time number of trips a year?

We don’t normally go away for more than 8 weeks as we have family at home (elderly parents) and this is the longest we are comfortable we can leave them (we have other family members able to do there bit).

However we like to go a few times a year.

I’m trying to work out the 90/180 rule as it applies in this case. If we go for example April 1st for 60 days then return to UK how long must we stay in uk before we can do another 60 day trip? Is it until 150 days after entering the eu the first time?

Nothing like some nice trip planning on the wet dark days to brighten you up.

Thanks in advance for any help navigating through this 90/180 rule.

 

[Lenny HB]

Google Shengsen calculator, loads on the web, just put your travel dates in job done.

 

[Minxy]

One month still in hand (30 days) so if you went out on 29th August using the 30 days you still have you could then do 2 months as your next 30 days would commence on 28th September making 60 days ... I think!

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[Trevor Wbm]

Hi,

This confuses me, too, but for the time being it's not an issue as we can only do three weeks about three time a year.

Keep in in mind the 90/180 days is 'rolling', so simplistically if you go for 60 days, then stay ay home for 60 days, your 90 days has reset by the time you leave again, and indeed any combination of same time at home as you are away will keep you legal. Also worth noting that you can do 2 x 60 days in any one 180 day period, but you'll have to stay at home for another 60 before you can go away for 60 again.

I think working backwards from your return-to-UK date is the safest way. Count back 180 days from that date. Then count how many of those days you were away. If it's less than 90 you're OK.

This link is to a spreadsheet that will calculate it for you. I've downloaded it without issue.

Easy Visa calculator for European visitors - with Excel

Here's a handy Excel worksheet for visitors to Europe, including UK citizens. It'll help you stay within the legal limits for 'short stays' by visitors to the E

office-watch.com

 

[Brains]

Multiple 2 month / 60? Day stays in eu - how do I calculate to maximise time number of trips a year?

We don’t normally go away for more than 8 weeks as we have family at home (elderly parents) and this is the longest we are comfortable we can leave them (we have other family members able to do there bit).

However we like to go a few times a year.

I’m trying to work out the 90/180 rule as it applies in this case. If we go for example April 1st for 60 days then return to UK how long must we stay in uk before we can do another 60 day trip? Is it until 150 days after entering the eu the first time?

Nothing like some nice trip planning on the wet dark days to brighten you up.

Thanks in advance for any help navigating through this 90/180 rule.

As a rule of thumb, for every day in, you need to do a day out.

 

[peterc10]

Hi,

This confuses me, too, but for the time being it's not an issue as we can only do three weeks about three time a year.

Keep in in mind the 90/180 days is 'rolling', so simplistically if you go for 60 days, then stay ay home for 60 days, your 90 days has reset by the time you leave again, and indeed any combination of same time at home as you are away will keep you legal. Also worth noting that you can do 2 x 60 days in any one 180 day period, but you'll have to stay at home for another 60 before you can go away for 60 again.

Not sure that is correct.

If you went back after 60 days for another 60 days that would mean you would be doing 120 days (60+60) in 180 days (60+60+60). You would be Ok if you only went back for 30 days, but if you want to go back for another 60 days, you would have to leave 90 days after you returned from your first trip.

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[Minxy]

Hi,

This confuses me, too, but for the time being it's not an issue as we can only do three weeks about three time a year.

Keep in in mind the 90/180 days is 'rolling', so simplistically if you go for 60 days, then stay ay home for 60 days, your 90 days has reset by the time you leave again, and indeed any combination of same time at home as you are away will keep you legal. Also worth noting that you can do 2 x 60 days in any one 180 day period, but you'll have to stay at home for another 60 before you can go away for 60 again.

I think working backwards from your return-to-UK date is the safest way. Count back 180 days from that date. Then count how many of those days you were away. If it's less than 90 you're OK.

This link is to a spreadsheet that will calculate it for you. I've downloaded it without issue.

Easy Visa calculator for European visitors - with Excel

Here's a handy Excel worksheet for visitors to Europe, including UK citizens. It'll help you stay within the legal limits for 'short stays' by visitors to the E

office-watch.com

Not correct ... you could only do a 60 and 30 within an 180 day period as I explained earlier, the unused 30 days couldn't commence until the 150th day if you wanted to stay away for 60 consecutive days, the first 30 days would be those left within the original period and the next 30 would be those released as your first 60 days start to drop off the radar.

 

[Barti Ddu]

The easiest way that I have found to use as a ready reckoner, for multiple trips up to 90 days, is that if you always take similar duration trips, then providing you then stay in the UK for the same duration between each trip then you will always be within the 90/180 rule ad infinitum. Works just as well for 90 days EU / 90 days UK as for one week EU / one week UK on permenant repeat. So to answer your specific question, along as you stay in the UK for 8 weeks each time, after having had 8 weeks in Schengen you should be fine to go again for another 8 weeks.

 

[peterc10]

So to answer your specific question, along as you stay in the UK for 8 weeks each time, after having had 8 weeks in Schengen you should be fine to go again for another 8 weeks.

Nope that won't work. See post #6. Same problem in that you need to be able to start knocking off enough of the earlier days before you stay for 16 weeks (112 days)

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[jongood]

Do 60 days France Spain etc, then take 15 days to go to Croatia etc for another 60 and you ve still got 15 in the bank to get you home.

 

[Barti Ddu]

Nope that won't work. See post #6. Same problem in that you need to be able to start knocking off enough of the earlier days before you stay for 16 weeks (112 days)

Really? That's a shame. I thought I'd got my head around this.

Ok - think I've now got it.

Just indulge me though with the following example. (For simplicity I'm assuming all months are 30 days long - I realise they aren't on reality).

Spend Jan in EU
Spend Feb in UK
Spend March in EU
Spend April in UK
Spend May in EU
Spend June in UK
Spend July in EU
etc. etc.
At what point have I busted the 90/180 rule?
I don't think I have.
On July the 1st I will be spending my 91st day in the EU, but the 1st Jan will have dropped of the beginning, and so on......

Same difference if you alternate single days or weeks.

However, the point at which it no longer works is if you equally alternate more than 45 days EU, 45 days UK, (roughly alternate 6 weeks).

Are my calculations any better now? My head is starting to hurt!

Ps - I'm using EU as shorthand for Schengen.

 

[peterc10]

Really? That's a shame. I thought I'd got my head around this.

Ok - think I've now got it.

Just indulge me though with the following example. (For simplicity I'm assuming all months are 30 days long - I realise they aren't on reality).

Spend Jan in EU
Spend Feb in UK
Spend March in EU
Spend April in UK
Spend May in EU
Spend June in UK
Spend July in EU
etc. etc.
At what point have I busted the 90/180 rule?
I don't think I have.
On July the 1st I will be spending my 91st day in the EU, but the 1st Jan will have dropped of the beginning, and so on......

Same difference if you alternate single days or weeks.

However, the point at which it no longer works is if you equally alternate more than 45 days EU, 45 days UK, (roughly alternate 6 weeks).

Are my calculations any better now? My head is starting to hurt!

Ps - I'm using EU as shorthand for Schengen.

Nearly there. If you are in the EU for the whole of January, March and May that is 93 days. So you would need to come back to the UK by 27 May. Or start in February in the EU and then do alternative months, which would give you 88 days

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[Barti Ddu]

Nearly there. If you are in the EU for the whole of January, March and May that is 93 days. So you would need to come back to the UK by 27 May. Or start in February in the EU and then do alternative months, which would give you 88 days

Ok. That's good. As I said, I was using 30 day months for simplicity.
Will alternate 45 day visits also work? ( I appreciate alternate 60 day periods don't).

 

[berni109]

Jan Feb Mar Apr May June =180
Hol Jan Feb = 60 days used - 30 left before end Jun

Hol Jun 30 days = 90 (3x30) of 90 days used in180 day period

Jul Aug Sept Oct Nov Dec = 180 days starting 1 July
Hol July 30 days plus any 60 days before end of Dec.

Rough example but start the 180 days from first day you leave UK

 

[Grianan]

Jan Feb Mar Apr May June =180
Hol Jan Feb = 60 days used - 30 left before end Jun

Hol Jun 30 days = 90 (3x30) of 90 days used in180 day period

Jul Aug Sept Oct Nov Dec = 180 days starting 1 July
Hol July 30 days plus any 60 days before end of Dec.

Rough example but start the 180 days from first day you leave UK

Thanks this i understand. So it is a fixed 180 day period, starting at day of entry, rather than a rolling 180 days, as I l had assumed.

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[bigtwin]

Rough example but start the 180 days from first day you leave UK

When would you say the first day you leave the UK is? This year? Last Year? Next month?

When you say “start the 180 days” do you mean for counting forwards? Or counting backwards?

The only way to know if you can be in the zone tomorrow is to count BACK 180 days and add up the days already spent in the zone. If this is <90, you may enter the zone tomorrow.

The only way (without using the on-line calculator) to know if you can complete a forthcoming trip is to count back 180 days from the planned last day of your forthcoming trip and add up any days already spent in the zone with those that you forecast to be in the zone.

Ian.

 

[bigtwin]

Thanks this i understand. So it is a fixed 180 day period, starting at day of entry, rather than a rolling 180 days, as I l had assumed.

No, your original understanding is correct. See my post above.

Ian

 

[slowdriver]

Schengen Calculator - Calculate Your Legal Short-Stay in Europe

Schengen Calculator for Visa-Free visitors and holders of multiple entry visas valid for six months and with 90 days of permitted duration of stay.

www.schengenvisainfo.com

Use this calculator to plan your trips - just put the day you intend to enter any Schengen Zone country and the day you will exit and it shows a running total and the last day you can exit by. I have included a theoretical example below.

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[peterc10]

Ok. That's good. As I said, I was using 30 day months for simplicity.
Will alternate 45 day visits also work? ( I appreciate alternate 60 day periods don't).

Yep
So would alternate 90 days

 

[Minxy]

Ok. That's good. As I said, I was using 30 day months for simplicity.
Will alternate 45 day visits also work? ( I appreciate alternate 60 day periods don't).

Yup but don't forget to include the days at each end, even if only in the EU for 5 minutes it counts as a full day, don't just count the actual nights as you'll come a cropper!

 

[Trevor Wbm]

Not sure that is correct.

If you went back after 60 days for another 60 days that would mean you would be doing 120 days (60+60) in 180 days (60+60+60). You would be Ok if you only went back for 30 days, but if you want to go back for another 60 days, you would have to leave 90 days after you returned from your first trip.

Not correct ... you could only do a 60 and 30 within an 180 day period as I explained earlier, the unused 30 days couldn't commence until the 150th day if you wanted to stay away for 60 consecutive days, the first 30 days would be those left within the original period and the next 30 would be those released as your first 60 days start to drop off the radar.

Bugger ... and thank you for the clarifications, that's pretty bloody obvious now you've written it out.

As I said it confuses me too.

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[Tandy]

Thank you everyone I like the idea of putting the proposed dates into the calculator and seeing if the computer says yes

 

[Snowflakes]

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[EML]

Wow - what a lot of answers to such a simple question! The Schengen calculator linked above gives the right answer in this case (which Tandy already knew in post #1, so the answer was 'yes').

Forget the calculators, though, and the ready reckoners. Get a big calendar. Colour in all the days you intend to be in the EU. Now stand back, and try to find any 180-day period, past or present, where the number of filled-in dates comes to more than 90. If you can find more than 90, you're in trouble, so get the eraser out. Job done.

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[Chris CM]

Don’t forget to allow some “buffer” days, what happens if you have a breakdown or perhaps fail your pre ferry LFT and you have to wait several days before you can try again, it’s a b****y nightmare!

 

[corconx]

We normally did 8 week trips. Going end April and again end Aug but with a bit of playing with dates on calculator I can do this instead

 

[Darling]

Just use the Schengen calculator as people have suggested simple

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