Motorhomes, 2 foreign holidays per anum, & carbon footprints...

Sneaky Blinder

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We've recently retired early, hopefully early enough, to enjoy a few years of travelling and exploring.

We used to take 2 foreign holdays every year, and our beloved dog was deposited into an excellent, but expensive, pet hotel.

We've now taken the plunge, and spent a large sum of money on a portable, mobile, comfortable hotel suite that's dog friendly.

There is so much of this beautiful island, and Ireland, that neither my partner nor I have visited, it really is a disgrace on our doorstep.

So, my point ?

Just consider the following:

The Earth is a gift for all of us, especially future generations, and should be cherished and protected.


Climate change is real, not a myth, and we can all see it it, if we open our eyes.


We all have a responsibility to curb our behaviour, to help future generations, despite the misgivings, oversights, or wrong judgements, of our forefathers.

The motorhome market is niche, and as a new potential buyer, you hold all of the cards.

New sales, in 2018, were just less than 15,000. EV & Hydrid car sales were just less than 10,000, and total new car regs were a wee bit less than 150,000.


But again, like many tabloibs striving for sales, they never put things into context.

These are official, reliable figures...

Q1) How many vehicles are there in Great Britain?

A1)
At the end of June 2019, there were 38.7 million vehicles licensed for use on the roads in Great Britain.

Cars make up the majority of licensed vehicles. There were 31.8 million cars (82.3 per cent), 4.1 million LGVs (10.6 per cent), 0.51 million HGVs (1.3 per cent), 1.3 million motorcycles (3.4 per cent), 0.15 million buses & coaches (0.4 per cent) and 0.76 million other vehicles (2.0 per cent) licensed at the end of June 2019.

All body types apart from buses & coaches saw an increase in overall registered vehicles since the end of June 2018. The largest percentage increase was for LGVs at 3.1 per cent, followed by cars at 1.1 per cent, and motorcycles at 0.9 per cent and HGVs at 0.8 per cent. Buses & coaches fell by 2.3 per cent, which reflects the decline in new registrations.

The total number of licensed vehicles has increased in all but one year (1992) since the end of the Second World War. From 1997 to 2007, the annual growth in licensed vehicles averaged 670 thousand per year, although from the mid-2000s it begun to slow somewhat. Following the recession of 2008-9, growth slowed further but did not stop, averaging 170 thousand per year between 2007 and 2012. Since 2012, the average growth has been 610 thousand per year, but this growth has slowed in recent years with the reduction of new registrations.

Source: Vehicle Licensing Statistics: April to June 2019

Historical details about the number of licensed vehicles can be viewed in table VEH0101.


I have no axe to grind, I am not affilliated to any club, I have no children, nor grandchildren to bequeath to.

An animal charity will benefit from that.

Point is, we're still separating our household waste, worrying about unnecessary packaging, thinking about what we're purchasing, recycling, ...and we've bought our first motorhome !

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Climate change is real, not a myth, and we can all see it it, if we open our eyes.

Point is, we're still separating our household waste, worrying about unnecessary packaging, thinking about what we're purchasing, recycling, ...and we've bought our first motorhome !

Your heart is in the right place.

But if you stopped all motorhomes today it would not show even a tiny blip in the destruction of the planet.

Same with your waste, yes it's sub optimal, but it's not that killing the planet.

Now if you can stop deforestation, stop all the huge coal burners then you would make a difference. Only by thinking HUGE can we make a difference now.
 
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Once I started touring, initially in caravans, latterly in motorhomes, I made a decision not to fly, which I have not done in 15 years or so.

I don’t currently run a car and cycle or walk whenever possible, so in my own mind at least, my use of my motorhome is justified ?
 
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Your heart is in the right place.

But if you stopped all motorhomes today it would not show even a tiny blip in the destruction of the planet.

Same with your waste, yes it's sub optimal, but it's not that killing the planet.

Now if you can stop deforestation, stop all the huge coal burners then you would make a difference. Only by thinking HUGE can we make a difference now.

Thank you, we both appreciate it.

But you're missing the point.

The post was about reducing your carbon footprint by NOT flying abroad, and buying a motorhome.

God forbid, government taxes on carbon fuel by 2030 will make it impossible, and kill the motorhome market.

If you want you can take my hgv off the road, just get me on benefits and I will stay at home no problem. Haha

I'd love to. I have a C1 entitlement and wasted 10 years of my life stuck in traffic on the M1 /A1 between Leeds and Newcastle.

75,000 miles a year. Carbon footprint the size of a coal fired power station. All for the sake of a few hundred pallets of stuff being delivered from Ireland to England.

And I drove one 18T class lorry in a fleet of 300+.

And that was just one transport company.

Our transport manager, after several economy training programmes, told us that if each vehicle in the fleet saved 1 mpg, then the company would save £100,000 per annum on their fuel bill.

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Once I started touring, initially in caravans, latterly in motorhomes, I made a decision not to fly, which I have not done in 15 years or so.

I don’t currently run a car and cycle or walk whenever possible, so in my own mind at least, my use of my motorhome is justified ?

You do not have to justify your use of a motorhome, imo.

If everybody modified their behaviour, went vegan one day per week, flew only once per year, recycled as much as they could, and bought an electric car in the next 5 -10 years, then we're gonna make a big step forward.

May be too little too late, but it's management / government to blame, on short 4-5 year turnarounds, no punishment for failure, and no long term targets to attain to.
 
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Most of the Worlds problems are not down to motorhomes - beat yourself up if you like but over-population, plastics, coal burning, conflicts....etc, etc, etc are way ahead...
 
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Your heart is in the right place.

But if you stopped all motorhomes today it would not show even a tiny blip in the destruction of the planet.

Same with your waste, yes it's sub optimal, but it's not that killing the planet.

Now if you can stop deforestation, stop all the huge coal burners then you would make a difference. Only by thinking HUGE can we make a difference now.
Carbon reservoirs in the ocean floor may have ended the last ice age and could bubble up again beware.....:(
 
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I think electric cars might be a big ask. If they could afford that much don’t you think everyone would have new cars now and there would be no old bangers on the road.

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Watched a programme about electric cars only last week. The problem going forward is not the cars but lack of charging points and even the ones in use now have different charging sockets and managed by different companies requiring separate accounts to be registered to in order to charge your battery, assuming you have the right plug and its not charging another car as currently only one car can be charged at a time. On a lighter note, China will take the lead in Carbon reduction. :rofl::rofl:
 
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Now that diesel is being demonized, it would be interesting if someone (cleverer than me) could calculate the comparative carbon footprint of two people travelling from the UK to, say, Valencia, by plane vs. road vs. train.
 
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Carbon reservoirs in the ocean floor may have ended the last ice age and could bubble up again beware.....:(

That could well be true, but I really can't take anything seriously from someone who has the biggest clown on the planet as their avatar.

I think electric cars might be a big ask. If they could afford that much don’t you think everyone would have new cars now and there would be no old bangers on the road.

I totally agree.

And for several reasons;

1. Government, whilst reducing VED to zero for all electric cars, has not implemented the infrastructure to support country wide electric travelling, instead giving the responsibilibility to regions.
2. Still far too much oil left underground, and too much government taxation to be overlooked from BP & Shell.
3. Oil, petroleum, currently powers the planet. There is no other viable, cost effective alternative in more than 50% of the world. The 50% that's still developing and considered 3rd world by those of us on our high horses and lucky enough to have been born in places where coal seams are close to the surface, require little extraction, and then power an industrial revolution, giving us a technological advantage.

An advantage which we have totally abused, finacialy, politicaly, and globally.
 
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Now that diesel is being demonized, it would be interesting if someone (cleverer than me) could calculate the comparative carbon footprint of two people travelling from the UK to, say, Valencia, by plane vs. road vs. train.

I would also welcome that...

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That could well be true, but I really can't take anything seriously from someone who has the biggest clown on the planet as their avatar.



I totally agree.

And for several reasons;

1. Government, whilst reducing VED to zero for all electric cars, has not implemented the infrastructure to support country wide electric travelling, instead giving the responsibilibility to regions.
2. Still far too much oil left underground, and too much government taxation to be overlooked from BP & Shell.
3. Oil, petroleum, currently powers the planet. There is no other viable, cost effective alternative in more than 50% of the world. The 50% that's still developing and considered 3rd world by those of us on our high horses and lucky enough to have been born in places where coal seams are close to the surface, require little extraction, and then power an industrial revolution, giving us a technological advantage.

An advantage which we have totally abused, finacialy, politicaly, and globally.
I think low wages might have something to do with it , but if there’s a wage rise coming to pay for it all bring it on.
 
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Watched a programme about electric cars only last week. The problem going forward is not the cars but lack of charging points and even the ones in use now have different charging sockets and managed by different companies requiring separate accounts to be registered to in order to charge your battery, assuming you have the right plug and its not charging another car as currently only one car can be charged at a time. On a lighter note, China will take the lead in Carbon reduction. :rofl::rofl:

I totally agree 100%.

The £3000 government rebate against buying a new electric car is a joke.

They get that back in capital tax. It's smoke and mirrors to make it look like they care.

They don't. They only care about votes, and tax. And the biggest contribututors to the government taxation coffers for the last few DECADES have been oil companies, BP and Shell, to be precise.

Whilst there's still black stuff underground, and profits and taxes to be made / paid, do you really think that there will be a serious push to electric cars ???

Even at the expense of our planet ?

Most governments are elected on 4 -5 year cycles...

...just think about that...
 
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I'll give you another example....tobacco.


Long after every government in the world was aware of the dangers of smoking, they still allow / allowed it to continue.

Taxes on cigarette sales boosted government coffers.

Now it's come back to bite them in the UK.

The damage that cigarettes have done, and the subsequent cost to the NHS, far outways the taxation on tobacco products.

We need politicians that care, understand the national problems, and do something about it.

I hope that all of those that have jumped ship can't swim, and do not have a safety vest, especially those that have jumped twice.
 
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Good luck with that -- the number of those with principles seems to have shrunk to an all-time low :)

I agree, totally.

Pretty much why we bought the MH, to get away from all of the nonsense, politification, rubbish, ignorance, selfishness, bigotry, patrichy, and every other thing that's wrong with modern western society.

A ferry to one of many Scottish islands, and we're away from it all. Including Wi-Fi. ?
 
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I think low wages might have something to do with it , but if there’s a wage rise coming to pay for it all bring it on.

I feel for you Ivory55, I really do.

Don't want to say it it, but, "got the T-shirt".

I'll swap places with you now ?

I'm booked in for major surgery on 21/10/19 to bypass two blocked veins, one in my groin, and one in my left knee, to avoid the need for amputation of my left leg below the knee.

Because I was a silly tw0t that started smoking at 15.

Replacement veins are being taken from my arms so I'm gonna look like a rag doll when they've finished with me.
 
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That could well be true, but I really can't take anything seriously from someone who has the biggest clown on the planet as their avatar.
Are we witnessing the demise of democracy here Sneaky Blinder to be replaced by the media deciding who will govern us? Trump was voted in under the rules of the US constitution, twelfth amendment. A system that the US peoples have been happy with for generations. Likewise Boris Johnson was elected as our leader under a similar system of electoral processes. The result of the most recent democratic referendum is also being pilloried by the media and those who lost in the democratic process.
Where is this all going Sneaky Blinder? I ask you as you appear to be coming across as one of the Founding Fathers.....:)
 
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If everybody did something to reduce their waste and tried to think of ways they reduce their reliance on fossil fuels, it would make a difference.
It all adds up.
There’s no point blaming everybody and everything else and sitting doing nothing.
 
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Why does everyone need to fly once a year?
Possibly because we live in an unfair society tonyidle where some can afford to purchase a 50k motorhome to leisurely meander around Europe using up the worlds resources while others just have the one holiday opportunity to get to the sunshine for a week during the school holidays.:)
 
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If everybody did something to reduce their waste and tried to think of ways they reduce their reliance on fossil fuels, it would make a difference.
It all adds up.
There’s no point blaming everybody and everything else and sitting doing nothing.
I don't mind letting you go first Allanm....what part are you playing in reducing your own carbon footprint?
 
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