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The van may have passed but with driving like that the driver should have lost his licence. What a dummy.

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They've certainly put your new MH through it's paces, I wonder if you'll be able to see the repair.....:whistle:
 

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I would have thought this is a legal requirement by all manufacturers to get approval?

Maybe not?

No idea if they all have to be tested but some of the English vans fell to bits before they got to the test area ;)

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Agree that's it's a good thing and a step forward, if it passed the test with the net behind the front seats in place does that mean that will be fitted as standard, if not surely that them being fly and not want to show what would happen to the back of you.
 

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Looks to me like a very low speed impact crash! (Also no offset test on the driver's side). This kind of publicity stunt has been done before by our own BL on the Mini Metro:


All looks good, but this was a low impact crash designed to look reassuring but was flawed. When NCAP did the real job on a Rover 100 (later metro re- badged model) the model was toast....and history.



A lot of injuries from crashing a moho could well be sustained from flying shrapnel from the rear of the vehicle (even coins become shrapnel in a crash). I do my best to reduce the possibility of stuff coming flying from the back, but even things like the table could come forward.....best drive as defensively as you can then (y)

One thing is for sure if you have a coach built like me, the body work is going to act like a big soggy but hard cardboard box if hit hard o_O

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I totally agree.

My initial reaction to the crash test was that the slo-mo video disguised any chance of estimating the speed of impact. Could be anything from 15-50 mph, but I would bet it is towards the lower end.
 
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Just found this on N&B website

Safety first: The new safety concept for the Flair

Series production at Niesmann+Bischoff to feature airbags,ESP and seatbelt tensioners
Increased protection for the footwell through the PedalRelease System in case of frontal collisions
Comprehensive crash tests confirm required vehicle safety

Polch/Boppard, 3rd July 2017 – The Flair is always able to come up with an innovation. Due to its progressive design, it is one of the most automotivestyle liners in the premium class. The driving comfort has been palpably increased once again thanks to the modern eight-gear converter transmission. Now Niesmann+Bischoff has set another milestone in terms of innovation – with a tailored safety concept elevating the Flair to a new level within its category. This is because the integration of airbags, ESP, seatbelt tensioner and a crash mechanism for the brake all represent a true innovation in this vehicle class.

“Our objective was to bring a safety package on board which guarantees the best-possible protection for all occupants, in particular in case of a crash. The past months of design and development were highly intensive. The result is outstanding”, says Hubert Brandl, Managing Director of Niesmann+Bischoff GmbH. The engineers involved have implemented an overall safety concept which is exclusive to the Flair. Niesmann+Bischoff has already registered the rights to the design.



Iveco Daily chassis converted and customised
On the Flair, airbags for the driver and passenger, ESP and seatbelt tensioners are now part of the series fittings for the model comprising of nine different layouts. With the integration of the Pedal Release System, the safety of the driver is increased in case of an accident. Should a massive rear-impact crash occur, this guarantees that the brake pedal folds away to the front, thus drastically reducing the possible risk of injuries to feet and legs through the pedal. In order to achieve this, the IVECO Daily Chassis 70 C 18/21 has been converted to suit safety requirements. In addition to the specialists from IVECO, the expertise of the ESTEPE truck specialists from the Netherlands as retrofitters was amongst other things required for this complex project. A specially-designed pedestal and a bulkhead partition (firewall) able to withstand the maximum safety requirements – as verified in comprehensive external tests – played key roles in the necessary elevation of the cockpit.

Intensive test phase, including driving against reinforced concrete
The highlight of the intensive test phase: A classic crash test in which the fully-equipped Flair with a 400 kg load – including two dummies weighing 78 kg each – drove against a 120-tonne barrier of reinforced concrete. The transferred energy accorded with an unbraked impact at 135 kilometres per hour onto a stationary car. Accelerations of up to 57 g were measured on the chassis; 30 g were measured on the driver and passenger seats, which accords with 30 times the acceleration due to gravity. During the crash test with the dummies, not just the driver’s cab, but also the complete box set-up and interior fittings were included in the calculations and analyses. And the bottom line is: The Flair passed all tests, without any reservations, with flying colours!

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Still doesn't say how fast the van was travelling when it hit the wall, but it certainly stood up quite well. Most coachbuilts would lose their hab section in a frontal impact at any reasonable speed.
Perhaps if all new motorhomes had to perform some sort of impact tests, most of the shoddy workmanship seen in many vans would disappear, but of course, prices would be bound to go up.
 
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Just found this on N&B website

Safety first: The new safety concept for the Flair

Series production at Niesmann+Bischoff to feature airbags,ESP and seatbelt tensioners
Increased protection for the footwell through the PedalRelease System in case of frontal collisions
Comprehensive crash tests confirm required vehicle safety

Polch/Boppard, 3rd July 2017 – The Flair is always able to come up with an innovation. Due to its progressive design, it is one of the most automotivestyle liners in the premium class. The driving comfort has been palpably increased once again thanks to the modern eight-gear converter transmission. Now Niesmann+Bischoff has set another milestone in terms of innovation – with a tailored safety concept elevating the Flair to a new level within its category. This is because the integration of airbags, ESP, seatbelt tensioner and a crash mechanism for the brake all represent a true innovation in this vehicle class.

“Our objective was to bring a safety package on board which guarantees the best-possible protection for all occupants, in particular in case of a crash. The past months of design and development were highly intensive. The result is outstanding”, says Hubert Brandl, Managing Director of Niesmann+Bischoff GmbH. The engineers involved have implemented an overall safety concept which is exclusive to the Flair. Niesmann+Bischoff has already registered the rights to the design.



Iveco Daily chassis converted and customised
On the Flair, airbags for the driver and passenger, ESP and seatbelt tensioners are now part of the series fittings for the model comprising of nine different layouts. With the integration of the Pedal Release System, the safety of the driver is increased in case of an accident. Should a massive rear-impact crash occur, this guarantees that the brake pedal folds away to the front, thus drastically reducing the possible risk of injuries to feet and legs through the pedal. In order to achieve this, the IVECO Daily Chassis 70 C 18/21 has been converted to suit safety requirements. In addition to the specialists from IVECO, the expertise of the ESTEPE truck specialists from the Netherlands as retrofitters was amongst other things required for this complex project. A specially-designed pedestal and a bulkhead partition (firewall) able to withstand the maximum safety requirements – as verified in comprehensive external tests – played key roles in the necessary elevation of the cockpit.

Intensive test phase, including driving against reinforced concrete
The highlight of the intensive test phase: A classic crash test in which the fully-equipped Flair with a 400 kg load – including two dummies weighing 78 kg each – drove against a 120-tonne barrier of reinforced concrete. The transferred energy accorded with an unbraked impact at 135 kilometres per hour onto a stationary car. Accelerations of up to 57 g were measured on the chassis; 30 g were measured on the driver and passenger seats, which accords with 30 times the acceleration due to gravity. During the crash test with the dummies, not just the driver’s cab, but also the complete box set-up and interior fittings were included in the calculations and analyses. And the bottom line is: The Flair passed all tests, without any reservations, with flying colours!

Crashing into Another car would not be like crashing into a concrete wall as the car would have differently deformable zones and may move (which is also one of the issues with NCAP tests I believe as they are only tested for a like to like impact, not say an impact with car vs HGV/big thing) ....it may be possible to work out the tested speed from the impact measurement but I don't know how to do that ? Anybody know ?

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Crashing into Another car would not be like crashing into a concrete wall as the car would have differently deformable zones and may move.....it may be possible to work out the tested speed from the impact measurement but I don't know how to do that ? Anybody know ?

Did you notice how the two side cab windows detached. I wonder if it's a safety feature to enable easy exit in an emergency - or if it's because they're made by Dometic ?
 

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Hymer have been crash testing their vans for years I think they were the first manufacturer to crash test an A class, Carthago crash test as well.
Indeed they have which I guess is why N+B described the Flair as the first crash tested "liner class"

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Did you notice how the two side cab windows detached. I wonder if it's a safety feature to enable easy exit in an emergency - or if it's because they're made by Dometic ?
There is sure a lot of glass flying about from those o_O
@maison Having just looked at the way the dummies behave again in the NCAP tests, my guess is that this crash speed was maybe about 20 +/- mph.

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I wonder if they crash-test them with a wife in the back making breakfast.

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Don't know. But many years ago we travelled with friends, in convoy, on their first time out with a caravan. On arrival on site they found that they had left two pint bottles of milk and a box of six eggs on the work surface before setting out.

When they opened the Caravan door they found a ready made omelette mix on the floor.

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Indeed they have which I guess is why N+B described the Flair as the first crash tested "liner class"

Martin
They also had a press release on whats new for 2018

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