Motorhome running on engine battery

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50 years of boating, just one on motorhomes.
I am sorry, this is going to be a bit long.

Urgent problem (as we are supposed to be going to Italy next week). This is a new motorhome to us but an eleven year old Bavaria T71LP which is effectively the same as a Pilote 71 from 2011. We picked it up from the dealer we purchased it from about a month ago it has appeared to work correctly (however possibly not!). We do know that the dealer replaced the electrical control panel and may have taken out the electrical panel during that diagnosis. I will obviously call them tomorrow but since they are 400km way its not a quick visit.

The installation has an EBL267 electrical unit and a Pilote box along side it.

So, here is the story.

I have noticed that the domestic battery voltage on the control panel voltage is always pretty constant at around 12.8v but the engine battery goes up and down. I really did not think about this very much as everything always worked. I have just fitted a Victron battery monitor and the recorded consumption made no sense however that does mean a local technician has been working on this (I suspect however it has always done this).

So, on Friday we took the camper out to pick up a bike from the local Decathalon. Came back, parked it, no problem. I probably left on the switches electrics and I 'may' have left a light or a fan on, not sure.

Came down to the camper Saturday afternoon. No central locking, opened it up, no electrics anywhere on the control panel or in the motorhome. Puzzled I checked the voltage on the leisure battery, 13.0v. Switched on the engine ignition, nothing, checked the voltage on the engine battery and had 1.8v (so at the end of this I am going to need a new battery!). Jump started the engine and immediately had 14.2 at both the leisure and the engine battery. Left the engine running whilst I sorted out electric and confirmed it was charging both batteries then left it on overnight.

Went to it this morning and noted that the voltage on the engine battery was slightly lower than the leisure battery. Put a clamp meter on the engine battery and noted a 3.5A discharge with the ignition off. Switched off the mains electricity and switched on a couple of lights and a fan. Put the clamp meter on the leisure battery and no discharge. Disconnected the leisure battery at the positive terminal and everything kept working. Switched off the leisure electrics on the control panel and engine battery discharge stopped.

As a final test with the fan and lights on I disconnected the negative on the engine battery and the motorhome control panel shut down (no power to anything)

Clearly there is either a reversal of the batteries or an interconnect I am not aware of. I have very little documentation and what I have is in French so not a lot of help.

Can anyone suggest what might be wrong?
 
It seems the batteries may have been connected to the wrong terminals. Maybe in the control panel. Without a diagram or tracing back the wiring it’s difficult to tell.
 
Find on the control panel which batteries feed which positive then try changing around

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Sounds as you say like the batteries are reversed. It might be interesting to see if theres a discharge on the leisure battery if the vehicle lights radio etc are on without the engine running that would pretty much confirm it.
 
Not got the fridge set on battery have you,our 2008 Pilote would drain the battery if it was left on the battery setting once the engine was turned off.
 
Thank you everyone.

With the help of the English manual I have reversed the batteries on the back of the controller. I now see the leisure battery discharge on the battery monitor and no discharge using the clamp meter on the engine battery. I did not see a discharge on the leisure battery from the engine but that is because they were reversed in the controller, not cross connected.

I suspect that the dealers engineer removed the unit whilst looking for a fault on the control panel (which they replaced) and then failed to both reinstall it correctly and then test it afterwards

We have just been lucky in first few trips in that we have been connected to mains electricity and/or not used much electricity. I have checked we were not running the fridge on electric.

Once again the power of this forum is shown, fantastic. An hour and a half from putting up a problem I thought was going significantly delay our holiday to both the operating manual and a fix. It also helps so much with confidence to make a change. I kind of thought I should reverse the batteries but I could not see where to do that without the manual.

Once more many thanks.
 
Great news that you are sorted out & a relief.I'd just keep an eye on the engine bettery with a view to replacing it as & when it starts to struggle .

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Great news that you are sorted out & a relief.I'd just keep an eye on the engine bettery with a view to replacing it as & when it starts to struggle .
Yep, experience tells me it will never recover. I have one of those little lithium battery starters that works a treat so I will wait to see how it goes.
 
Nice to hear you've managed to sort out the problem. For future reference, it's easy to isolate each of the batteries. There is a 50A fuse near the starter battery, and also a 50A fuse near the leisure battery. Remove those in turn to see what stops working.
 
There was a Funster at the New Forest meet last year, engine battery kept going flat overnight.
He had replaced the EBL after repair & crossed the batteries over.
 
There was a Funster at the New Forest meet last year, engine battery kept going flat overnight.
He had replaced the [Broken Link Removed] after repair & crossed the batteries over.
The wire colours are confusing. The red wire, you may think is the leisure battery, is actually the starter battery positive. Even better, the leisure battery positive is black. And brown for both negatives.
 
More than a coincidence that the control panel was replaced.
Almost certain the fitter connected hab and cab connections the wrong way round.
It does sound like your starter battery is on its way out though

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And yes, Went to start on Wednesday night to leave first thing on Thursday for Italy and, new battery first thing Thursday morning :-)
 

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