MOTORHOME AVERAGE PAYLOAD

[Jim]

So here's me getting ready for a magazine article to expose the Big Motorhome Payload Scandal

Just looking at my spreadsheet and we are fast getting toward some "rule of thumb" guidelines.
It's looking like the van essentials will take 180KG from your payload. Each person/child thereafter will eat up their bodyweight plus 22kg

So to personalise this we essentially look for the MIRO, this is made up of the weight of the motorhome fuelled up ready to go with a 75kg driver, a bottle of gas and the hookup lead, some also include 20 litres of water within the MIRO others do not

So I chose an Auto trail with one of the smallest payloads the Auto Trail Imala 734. The brochure shows Gross weight of 3500kg and a MIRO of 3170

Unless you weigh precisely 75kg then remove 75kg from the MIRO and the new figure to work from is 3095 KG Deduct this from the gross and you have a real-world payload for the Imala 734 of 405kg

Agreed Van essentials. 180 KG
Person 1 is 14st 89kg +22kg allowance = 111 KG
Person 2 is 11st 70KG + +22kg allowance = 92 KG
Water 20 Litres. 20 KG
Max weight carried 403 KG

So OK it's tight, very tight and they'd better not put any weight on. But even after adding the extra battery, extra gas bottle, solar et al. They are still underweight, even though I chose a van with the tiniest payload.

So if I'm right, there is no payload scandal. The only scandal would be if the vans do not match the MIRO weights. Am I right? What am I missing?

 

[Candapack]

I posted today on your other payload thread. My van essentials come in at 170kg, i just emptied everything out and weighed it. And that's without bikes, battery or solar. With them, and we use ebikes, it would be nearer 250kg. I'm 100kg, wife is 75kg, add on 44 plus 20 for water, that's 489 kg. Plus, for many, a dog. I know a couple who travel with 2 pointers, and take all the food they'll need for 2 months.
Imala is off our list.
Edit, 75kg wife is already included in MIRO, so brings us down to 414. Plus doggy stuff. As is your person 2 plus 5kg of person 1. Is that right?

 

[hilldweller]

Am I right? What am I missing?

Alcohol.

 

[Helen Ariel]

What's in the essentials?

We have just paid a large deposit on our new van which the dealer says has payload of 680. From brochures payload seems to be 580 but dealer says no it must be 2020 model payload we're seeing. There are two of us totaling 145kg and 20kg dog going, bikes 27kg and we hope to take a scooter or mini motorbike of 100kg max but not purchasing this until we've done a weigh bridge with everything else fully loaded for trips of multiple months away. We are really hoping we'll have enough but will certainly be very careful with what we take in the way of extras.

 

[Phill D]

The only scandal would be if the vans do not mach the MIRO weights.
there in lies the the possible smoking gun Jim ....... can we real trust the manufacturers quoted miro

personally i doubt it

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[Jim]

What's in the essentials?

Barbecue Carri Cheff + tongs etc
Basic toolkit
Bedding
Beers x 4
Bicycles lightweight x2
Bike rack
Chairs x 2
Crockery
Cutlery
Dry Food Goods
Fist Aid Kit
Fridge Contents
Grey water bucket
Hose and adapters
Houshold Cleaning
Kettle
Levelling ramps
Pegs and Mallet
Satnav
Alarm
Sauce pans
Second battery
11kg Gas spare
Inverter
silver screens
Solar and Regulator
Table
Toaster
toilet chemical Tank and Rinse
Toilet Roll x 2
warning triangle
Windbreak
Wine bottles x 2

 

[Jim]

Rather than blaming the makers I think it might be more like the Big Motorhome Overload Scandal

 

[Gellyneck]

So here's me getting ready for a magazine article to expose the Big Motorhome Payload Scandal

Just looking at my spreadsheet and we are fast getting toward some "rule of thumb" guidelines.
It's looking like the van essentials will take 180KG from your payload. Each person/child thereafter will eat up their bodyweight plus 22kg

So to personalise this we essentially look for the MIRO, this is made up of the weight of the motorhome fuelled up ready to go with a 75kg driver, a bottle of gas and the hookup lead, some also include 20 litres of water within the MIRO others do not

So I chose an Auto trail with one of the smallest payloads the Auto Trail Imala 734. The brochure shows Gross weight of 3500kg and a MIRO of 3170

Unless you weigh precisely 75kg then remove 75kg from the MIRO and the new figure to work from is 3095 KG Deduct this from the gross and you have a real-world payload for the Imala 734 of 405kg

Agreed Van essentials. 180 KG
Person 1 is 14st 89kg +22kg allowance = 111 KG
Person 2 is 11st 70KG + +22kg allowance = 92 KG
Water 20 Litres. 20 KG
Max weight carried 403 KG

So OK it's tight, very tight and they'd better not put any weight on. But even after adding the extra battery, extra gas bottle, solar et al. They are still underweight, even though I chose a van with the tiniest payload.

So if I'm right, there is no payload scandal. The only scandal would be if the vans do not mach the MIRO weights. Am I right? What am I missing?

But if you've got the half-dinette options to get two belted seats for the squabblers and a dog?
Guess you'd be well over.

 

[Helen Ariel]

Ok that's good i think we might be ok even if the dealer is wrong ?

 

[Mikeco]

A few clothes and shoes, I checked my man cupboard the other day and there was 22 pairs of men’s undergarments and 20 pairs of socks.

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[Jim]

But if you've got the half-dinette options to get two belted seats for the squabblers and a dog?
Guess you'd be well over.

That's another story. The motorhome in my example can sleep 6! How many families of 4 5 or 6 will buy it, but unbeknown to them when our essentials are present it means that the van will be overweight with just the addition of a small dog, let alone four more people.

 

[busbuddy]

as a 2 berth it may be workable but in the 4 or 6 berth guise it is a non starter

 

[Mikeco]

A spare wheel at around 25kg .

 

[Jim]

as a 2 berth it may be workable but in the 4 or 6 berth guise it is a non starter

See above, just pipped you

 

[Jim]

A few clothes and shoes, I checked my man cupboard the other day and there was 22 pairs of men’s undergarments and 20 pairs of socks.

Most of us carry fewer undergarments and wash them now and again.

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[Mikeco]

Most of us carry fewer undergarments and wash them now and again.

You will then have to add washing powder to your list

 

[Pausim]

You will then have to add washing powder to your list

But surely undergarments weigh more when they need washing

 

[Helen Ariel]

Is a spare wheel essential?

 

[Oldbob]

Is the weight of the van dry weight or wet weight ?

 

[Reallyretired]

The alcohol stocks are a bit low. Our dogs total 50kg with another 50kg for their food. We dont carry bikes but do carry folding chairs, table etc. We are underweight but not a lot, have redone at 4000kg, increased from 3850kg. Dont know why it wasnt 4000 to start with.
We also carry 48 toilet rolls (swmbo insists) and her weight is a state secret. Mine is at least 25kg over the 75kg allowed.

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[Jim]

The alcohol stocks are a bit low. Our dogs total 50kg with another 50kg for their food. We dont carry bikes but do carry folding chairs, table etc. We are underweight but not a lot, have redone at 4000kg, increased from 3850kg. Dont know why it wasnt 4000 to start with.
We also carry 48 toilet rolls (swmbo insists) and her weight is a state secret. Mine is at least 25kg over the 75kg allowed.

Of course, everyone will be different, but we are just trying to find a reasonable average weight to work out the feasibility/credibility of supplied payloads

 

[Jim]

Is a spare wheel essential?

If it is included by the maker it will be included within the MIRO, if its a user addition then it will need to be added. Essential? For me, absolutely.

 

[Pausim]

If it is included by the maker it will be included within the MIRO, if its a user addition then it will need to be added. Essential? For me, absolutely.

Some manufacturers do not make it easy to calculate the additional weight of factory fitted extras and many make full use of the 5% they are allowed on their official figures.

 

[Mikeco]

But surely undergarments weigh more when they need washing

No weight in skid marks.

 

[busbuddy]

i just had a go with the autotrail 'configure my van' and the 734 says only 163kg left before i tick anything ??

and a bit more looking on their site shows the tracker FB with Gross weight of 3500kg and a MIRO of 3275kg

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[treetops1]

No one mentioned an Awning ! Wind breakers,

 

[Gellyneck]

i just had a go with the autotrail 'configure my van' and the 734 says only 163kg left before i tick anything ??

But includes 75kg for a passenger and 93kg for their personal effects \ food \ etc.

 

[Lenny HB]

You haven't allowed 150 kg for the tolerance of the MIRO, Most vans come out on the factory on their top limit.

 

[Phill D]

wind out awning not in many vans miro and most vans get fitted with them.

 

[busbuddy]

But includes 75kg for a passenger and 93kg for their personal effects \ food \ etc.

indeed but on the tracker FB passengers personal allowance is only 91kg...do people who own trackers carry 2kg less

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