MoHo Weights

[Realist]

The below pic is the plate on our van I’m presuming the two lower readings are per axel but combined it’s 3600KGS.

I presumed the max weight was 3300KGS so what’s the 5500 then?

Thanks.

 

[Flamenca]

I think your plated GVW is 3300kg. An expert will no doubt come along soon to verify this, or not. The 5500kg is the maximum train weight if you are towing a trailer. My terminology might be out of date

 

[tonka]

3300 is your max weight.
5500 is the train weight is the van and a trailer.
The other 2 are front and rear axle.
The max is never the total of the two axles added together , don't ask me why

 

[Larby]

The 3300 is the maximum weight of the sum of the 2 axles.
The 1600 is the maximum weight on that axle, the 2200 is the maximum weight on that axle, therefore if front weighs in at 1600 then back axle can only be 1700
(as I understand it)

 

[grumps147]

What you have to look out for is a second or third plate. I am not enough in the know about fords to be aware if they did their own MH/campervan conversions, but it’s possible you have another plate from your converter, which may or may not offer the same plate details. More often than not they are near the original, but not always. Here is ours ..

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[Realist]

Same details on both plates.

 

[Realist]

One of the reasons im asking is my wife has a Citroen DS3 and im tempted to tow her car so we can get around. But everywhere ive checked only do smaller cars like the C1.

 

[jollyrodger]

Based on a Transit 100 or 120 by any chance ?

 

[Realist]

Yes

 

[jollyrodger]

One of the reasons im asking is my wife has a Citroen DS3 and im tempted to tow her car so we can get around. But everywhere ive checked only do smaller cars like the C1.

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[Realist]

If i had a money tree i would of had it but thats three loads of insurance.

 

[WESTY66]

One of the reasons im asking is my wife has a Citroen DS3 and im tempted to tow her car so we can get around. But everywhere ive checked only do smaller cars like the C1.

My mrs has the DS3 also and like you it has crossed my mind on more than one occasion to tow it! I’m presently on with a trailer to tow the Harley on at the moment, but I’d be interested to know how you get with taking the DS3 with you??

 

[Larrynwin]

With a gtw of 5500 and a gvw of 3300 you can tow a trailer/car up to 2200 kgs .

 

[bigtwin]

With a gtw of 5500 and a gvw of 3300 you can tow a trailer/car up to 2200 kgs .

But if the MH is running at 3200Kgs you can tow up to 2300Kgs.

There is a common misconception that your towing limit is Max Train Weight minus Max Gross Vehicle weight; it isn’t, you can only be assessed against your stated plated weights (I.e, MGVW, MTW, Front Axle, Rear Axle(s)) provided that you don’t exceed any of your plated weights you are legal.

There is no plated maximum towing weight so you cannot be assessed against this.

Ian

 

[Larrynwin]

But if the MH is running at 3200Kgs you can tow up to 2300Kgs.

There is a common misconception that your towing limit is Max Train Weight minus Max Gross Vehicle weight; it isn’t, you can only be assessed against your stated plated weights (I.e, MGVW, MTW, Front Axle, Rear Axle(s)) provided that you don’t exceed any of your plated weights you are legal.

There is no plated maximum towing weight so you cannot be assessed against this.

Ian

In this case the vehicle plate limits the the towing weight to the difference between the gvw and the gtw. If the vehicle is running at 100kgs below it’s gvw and you tow a trailer of 2300 kgs you are exceeding its towing limit .

Edit.. removed within the law as only being physically weighed could you prove you were 100kgs below gvw.

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[bigtwin]

In this case the vehicle plate limits the the towing weight to the difference between the gvw and the gtw. If the vehicle is running at 100kgs below it’s gvw and you tow a trailer of 2300 kgs you are exceeding its towing limit .

Why is this case different from all other weight plates?
As I outlined in my previous post, there is no towing limit specified; the only limits specified are GVW, GTW & Axle Weights.

Where do you believe the towing limit is specified?

Is your statement based on the popular misconception that a towing limit can be deduced from the MTW & MGW?

Ian

 

[Larrynwin]

Why is this case different from all other weight plates?
As I outlined in my previous post, there is no towing limit specified; the only limits specified are GVW, GTW & Axle Weights.

Where do you believe the towing limit is specified?

Is your statement based on the popular misconception that a towing limit can be deduced from the MTW & MGW?

Ian

The towing limit as I see it and in the absence of any other specified towing limit is the difference between the plated gvw and gtw which in this case is imo 2200kgs and I would again state that only a weighbridge would prove that the actual vehicle weight was lower than the plated gvw.

 

[gus-lopez]

The towing limit as I see it and in the absence of any other specified towing limit is the difference between the plated gvw and gtw which in this case is imo 2200kgs and I would again state that only a weighbridge would prove that the actual vehicle weight was lower than the plated gvw.

& if pulled then that is what has to be done legally.You cannot be prosecuted for over maximum train weight without being weighed.

 

[bigtwin]

The towing limit as I see it and in the absence of any other specified towing limit is the difference between the plated gvw and gtw which in this case is imo 2200kgs and I would again state that only a weighbridge would prove that the actual vehicle weight was lower than the plated gvw.

Indeed, evidence of exceeding weight limits can only be demonstrated by measuring against plated limits. There is no plated limit for towed weight, only MTW.

I refer you to para 1 here:

Towing with a car

Towing trailers, caravans and horseboxes with a car, including the weight and size limits, and what licence you need to have

www.gov.uk

Ian

 

[Minxy]

Meanwhile back to reality ... exceeding the train weight is not a good idea as this could mean that the brakes etc on the towing vehicle are then not able to stop the vehicles in an emergency, or that the towing vehicle is safely able to tow without risk of the 'tail' wagging the dog ... to me these issues are more important.

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[Larrynwin]

Indeed, evidence of exceeding weight limits can only be demonstrated by measuring against plated limits. There is no plated limit for towed weight, only MTW.

I refer you to para 1 here:

Towing with a car

Towing trailers, caravans and horseboxes with a car, including the weight and size limits, and what licence you need to have

www.gov.uk

Ian

This imo reinforces my position that unless there is another towing weight limit then the plated weight is the law.
In the event of being weighed the motorhome would be weighed in total and by axle and the trailer would be weighed . The vehicles towing limit being the difference between gvw and gtw could not be ignored.

1. The capability of the towing vehicle
The chassis plate on the vehicle (see table in Section 7) states the maximum weights allowed - the Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW) and the Gross Combination Weight (GCW).
The vehicle handbook will either repeat what is on the chassis plate, or for convenience, might directly specify the maximum weight of trailer (eg 750kg) which is allowed to be towed. The V5C registration certificate often shows this too, under sections O1 and O2 (depending on whether trailer has brakes or not). Exceeding any of the above weights is likely to be construed as using a vehicle in a dangerous condition.

 

[Larrynwin]

& if pulled then that is what has to be done legally.You cannot be prosecuted for over maximum train weight without being weighed.
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That seems to fly in the face of safety as Minxy Girl post #20 the ability of the towing vehicles brakes must be considered and the copy above also refers to goods vehicles.

 

[Realist]

I asked a simple question and opened a hornets nest, but glad I did now.

 

[Minxy]

I asked a simple question and opened a hornets nest, but glad I did now.

Is there ever such a thing as a simple question?

 

[Lenny HB]

The max towing weight is a guideline from the manufacturer that takes into account engine & gearbox stress and hill start capability. It will often be a lot lower than what the gross train weight would indicate.

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[Realist]

So bottom line is I should not have issues towing a DS3.

With this.

 

[Lenny HB]

So bottom line is I should not have issues towing a DS3.

With this.

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You don't say what "This" is. Engine? Power? Type of gearbox? Weights?

 

[Realist]

DS3......
Engine 1.6
Power 90bhp
Gearbox manual
Weight 1275kgs

MoHo..
Engine 2.5TD
Power 90bhp
Gearbox 5speed manual
Weight see plates above

 

[Minxy]

Realist ... have you checked if a tow bar can be fitted, assuming it hasn't got one? Some MHs can't have them due to there being no proper chassis members past the rear axle.

 

[Realist]

One already fitted.

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