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Paul and Pippa

Paul and Pippa

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I'm looking at buying some new tyres for my Dethleffs MH,, Michelin Agilis Camping 215/70 Q15 (109/)...these are made for MHs but someone said they should have "C" for commercial on them, could anyone tell me more..thank you Paul
 
They’ll have CP on them, which I believe stands for Camping Pneus or (Motorhome Tyres in English).
As said, C stands for Commercial and nothing wrong with using C tyres on a Motorhome, though some will disagree.
 
Hettie's Crew said:
They’ll have CP on them, which I believe stands for Camping Pneus or (Motorhome Tyres in English).
As said, C stands for Commercial and nothing wrong with using C tyres on a Motorhome, though some will disagree.
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Totally agree did plenty of research last year and opted for Continental Vanco FourSeason (newer model VanContact 4season) tyres. When I contacted conti even their helpdesk recommended these over their specific CP tyres
Says it all imho
CP is a marketing ploy
 
The camping tyre is better for vehicles that spend most of their time parked rather than driven. Make your own choices

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I only ever buy 'budget' tyres.............

The only blowout was on a new car...........1971

Just back from Spain in my old V8 Jag, at speed (480 miles one day).............

'Ordinary' vans do more miles, mount more kerbs.............

Biggest problem with MHs is low use.........not good for any tyre.......

Your money, your choice
 
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I have E&P jacks so parking relieves the weight on my tyres.
Having a blow out in France without camping tyres may prove a problem with The plod.

I have yet to see a brand new conversion that is not fitted with camping tyres whether Michelin or Continental.
 
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Techno said:
I have E&P jacks so parking relieves the weight on my tyres.
Having a blow out in France without camping tyres may prove a problem with The plod.

I have yet to see a brand new conversion that is not fitted with camping tyres whether Michelin or Continental.
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See where you are coming from
However RVs and some other Motorhomes cannot provide camping tyres in correct size.

Also show me a camping tyre that has an alpine rating. Which is now required in some European countries throughout winter. M+S no longer cuts the mustard.
If you want legal tyres in winter you can only get van tyres atm.

This conversation always opens a can of worms

Btw I am not sat on either side of the fence. I went for van tyres after speaking with Conti directly.

As you say it's personal choice.
 
Techno said:
I have yet to see a brand new conversion that is not fitted with camping tyres whether Michelin or Continental.
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I’ve seen quite a few Hymer’s in showrooms brand new fitted with Continental Four Seasons.

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Camping tyres are crap

The Michelins are absolutely shit to be honest.

They are noisy and they wear fast and sidewalls crack.

I'd never fit them , commercial tyres with a heavier weight load index will always get my money.
 
I have not experienced your observations and completely happy with Agilis.
Noisy and wearing fast is also a contradiction.
The previous Michelin X was a hard tyre that did high mileage and could be considered noisy.
The Agilis is good for around 25k miles only due to the softer rubber. This gives better grip and low noise, we cannot hear our tyres at all.
We do average 5k miles per year so happy with new every five years.
This year the rears will go on the front and a new pair to the back
 
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We are also looking to replace the tyres on our 2011 Auto Trail Savannah. Continentals on at present.

Like the look of the Falken Euroall Season Van11. Pretty good price. Rated at 118/116 p. Euro ratins - Fuel C, Wet A and Noise 71. Also stamped on tyre with Tri peak and snowflake. Anyone had any experience with these tyres?
 
Techno said:
I have not experienced your observations and completely happy with Agilis
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Have you tried fitting an alternative?
That's when you realise how noisy Michelins are and how quick they wear.

I did 18000 miles last year in my Frankia with budget commercial tyres after removing cracked Michelins , they still had as good tread after the 18000 miles as they did when new.

And the difference in road noise was incredible.

The hymer I bought In October, has Michelin campers on them and the road noise is crap again , and the fronts are down to 5mm in 8500 miles.

I can't wait to change them
 
As I said I cannot hear them at all over my 3 litre Iveco so noise is not a consideration
65psi in the fronts at 1950KG

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Techno said:
As I said I cannot hear them at all over my 3 litre Iveco so noise is not a consideration
65psi in the fronts at 1950KG
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Lucky you ...I keep thinking my brakes or wheel bearings are shot.

Was the same in the 3.0litre Frankia

Some road surfaces are worse than others
 
I recently changed from CP tyres to
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The reason I went with the above was due to them being all season and having the three snow flakes which mean they can be used in Europe during the winter months. They also seem to have better grip on wet grass where my previous Michelins and Continental CP tyres would loose grip. So far I have been very pleased with them.
According to the Michelin legal department its only in Italy where Motorhomes must be fitted with CP tires.
 
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Hettie's Crew said:
I’m fairly sure that the use of CP tyres is an ETRTO recommendation rather than a law.
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Yep it isn't law ...under the fridge oven and bed it's a commercial vehicle as long as the tyres fitted are commercial tyres with suitable load then all is fine.

I had a supposed " motorhome expert technician " try to tell me the commercial tyres fitted on my Frankia weren't legal as they weren't camper tyres.

I only wish he had said that before I let him loose on my van for a service I might have saved some money for the other cock ups he did.

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Techno said:
Best advice is to stick to original equipment or equivalent or better
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Which in our case Andy, was Goodyear Cargo which were fitted at the factory. ;)

I appreciate what you are saying about MHs laid up in storage for months, but ours is used all year round, and sits on quality light commercial tyres..........................as originally fitted. (y)

Cheers,

Jock. :)
 
Below is a copy of a letter I received from Michelin Head Office here in Claremont Ferrand when I asked them if it was law that Motorhomes should be fitted with CP tyres. I had been given some wrong information on the subject before so I checked it out.

Dear Michael,



Just a quick clarification regarding your query short while ago regarding the CP marked tyres.



After looking into your case further regarding the CP marking regulations, we have the information that only in ITALY it is mandatory to have CP marked tyres on a Camping Van. In other parts of EU the regulation is based on load and weight indexes. However my OFFICIAL MICHELIN RECOMMENDATION needs to be the firstly mentioned MICHELIN AGILIS CAMPING, However as stated in the definition of CP tyres: "Caution: RF-/XL tyres and LT tyre are not C tyres, even if they resemble them with regard to size and load index. Therefore you should check the paperwork for your vehicle or ask the manufacturer which tyres you can use. In contrast, the abbreviation “CP” stands for “Camping”. This refers to C tyres which are optimised for the particular requirements of mobile homes, such as long standing times.”


The CP-marked camping tyres being stronger and more robust as a tyre, the most significant difference would be the ability of these tyres to maintain in the same position for longer periods (i.e. over the winter), where as a non-CP tyre would most likely experience some deformation do to being still for a long period.


So to conclude; Officially MICHELIN recommends your vehicle MICHELIN AGILIS CAMPING, but if you do verify the specific tyre requirements with your car manufacturer, or registration paperwork, and have your vehicle weighed and tyres to be inflated with according pressures, theoretically you might be able to safely mount the MICHELIN AGILIS CROSSCLIMATE, but you need to verify the specifics with your manufacturer and local authorities if necessary.


I wish to have satisfied your query, but please do not hesitate to contact us for any further information or advice.

For additional information please contact us by email: contact@tc.michelin.eu, on our website http://www.michelin.co.uk/, our contact form http://www.michelin.co.uk/contact or by phone to 0845 366 1590 or 0845 366 1535.

MICHELIN is happy to accompany you on every journey and would like to thank you for your confidence.



Kind regards,


Panu


MICHELIN Consumer Care

Passenger Car & Light Truck Tyres

Tel: 0845 366 1590; 0845 366 1535

E-mail: contact@tc.michelin.eu

Contact us: www.michelin.co.uk/contact

Web: www.michelin.co.uk

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I would say it’s what suits you. Brand A might be the best but most expensive. So it might be better to buy brand B but it leaves you with money to enjoy the van, no point having the best of something but it’s stuck on your driveway not being used. Compromising is all part of it.
 
Reallyretired said:
Continental vanco 4 season on my Rapido I've just kept to the OE ones but use the tyre pressures recommended by Continental rather than those on the Rapido information
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On a previous occasion when I contacted Michelin about tyre pressures they recommended using the pressures as recommended by Fiat. 5 bar in the front and 5.5bar in the rear which is about 70 psi front and 80 psi rear. MIchelin did say I could reduce the front down to 4.5 bar if I wanted a softer ride. I tried it but I could feel the steering was heavier and extra strain was being put on steering joins etc. So I kept them at 5 bar.
 
gerry mcg said:
I'm getting a pair of Michelin crossclimate 225/75/R16 118 C tyres fitted on Saturday you replace the factory Michelin Agilis CP tyres
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Only two? Not wise to fit tyres with much more grip on one axle than the other. If you do they need to be fitted on the rear as the rear should always have the better tyres as in a suden slide it breaks away first.

My van is nearly two years old and will need new tyres soon surprised how quick the Michelin campers wear. Will be getting 5 winter or 4 season tyres.
 
Lenny HB said:
Only two? Not wise to fit tyres with much more grip on one axle than the other. If you do they need to be fitted on the rear as the rear should always have the better tyres as in a suden slide it breaks away first.

My van is nearly two years old and will need new tyres soon surprised how quick the Michelin campers wear. Will be getting 5 winter or 4 season tyres.
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I am aware of that - however ....
we are going into summer, so ultimate winter performance isn't an issue in the immediate term - and the rear Agilis Camping CP still have 9mm on them - and are M&S marked. so Michelin feel they are up to the job. ;)
i'll put CrossClimates on the rear when they are due for replacement - it is an informed choice. i'll take the risk. Thanks for your concern tho (y)

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