London Ultra Low Emission Zone being extended

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Apologies if this has been posted, but just had an email from Transport for London stating the ULEZ is expanding on 25th October 2021 up to , but NOT including the North and South circulars.

I've a 11 reg VW T5 and a 13 reg Transit based Hymer, and neither qualify although petrol 07 CRV and 13 reg Alto do.. Fortunately I live outside and would use the M25 anyway if crossing London, but there must be quite a few owners of diesel campers who live inside.
 
I assume this is in response to the inquest into the girl who unfortunately had severe asthma etc and pollution was put down as a reason for her death.

Edit: emjaiuk posted at whilst I was writing.
 
I presume so. My sympathies are with those owners whose vehicles don't comply, but i personally wouldn't want to live and raise children inside the zone

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I presume so. My sympathies are with those owners whose vehicles don't comply, but i personally wouldn't want to live and raise children inside the zone
Agreed on pollution, but the way kahn is carrying on starvation could soon be a bigger problem. His latest lorry restriction s are biting hard without doing any more.
 
Agreed on pollution, but the way kahn is carrying on starvation could soon be a bigger problem. His latest lorry restriction s are biting hard without doing any more.
If they can introduce BEV or low emission buses in London as a result of TfL contract terms, then they can use BEV/low emission trucks. I doubt it will happen without coercion which is what the ULEZ is about. With regard to the London Lorry Control Scheme, if you were effected by late night HGVs you would probably be in favour. The easiest solution would be to use smaller trucks, and pass on any increased transport costs.
 
Agreed on pollution, but the way kahn is carrying on starvation could soon be a bigger problem. His latest lorry restriction s are biting hard without doing any more.
What restrictions are they?
 
If they can introduce BEV or low emission buses in London as a result of TfL contract terms, then they can use BEV/low emission trucks. I doubt it will happen without coercion which is what the ULEZ is about. With regard to the London Lorry Control Scheme, if you were effected by late night HGVs you would probably be in favour. The easiest solution would be to use smaller trucks, and pass on any increased transport costs.
The enhanced vision one I'm talking about. Instead of tackling those cyclists (not all) that are suicidal he wants all articulated lorries fitted with cameras and sensors along the nearside, these vehicles already have at least 6 mirrors yet even the most observant drivers cannot look at 8 things at the same time.

Of course what Khan really wants is everything delivered on small EVs, what he does not realise is how many of these would be needed to supply and feed a city of that size.
 
I assume this is in response to the inquest into the girl who unfortunately had severe asthma etc and pollution was put down as a reason for her death.
No it was meant to be extended in October 2020 but was delayed for a year due to covid.
he introduced it on the back of a scamming vote available only to registered users of TfL who voted on a new Ultra emission zone.
the majority was 52-48% of approximatly 30k who voted out of the 8,912,000 people who live in the capital.
On the basis of that he extended & increased requirements for the LEZ & stated that the vote gave him the right to extend the Ultra LEZ ,that hadn't then even been started, to the N&S circular in october 2020.
so 1,79% of the population voted to introduce the ULEZ.The vast majority being pedestrians, walkers, cyclists & non -motorists.
A bit like another vote we had ?
How it can be legal to allow only information to be available only to members of TfL & also only registered members could vote defies belief. Smacks of the union meetings where a Quorum could control 000's.
Now the extension to North & south means anyone without a vehicle less than 3 years old is subject to a charge of £12,50/day even residents.
 
There are always odd outcomes from blanket regulations: I have a car which does 60 mpg and is zero rated for VED, it costs me £12.50 to drive it into London ULEZ. If I take one of my work vehicles, a 53 seater coach which does 8mpg it costs £nil! Doesn't seem very emission friendly, especially when you consider there is almost no sensible coach parking around the city which means driving in and out twice for a job in the city.
 
Now the extension to North & south means anyone without a vehicle less than 3 years old is subject to a charge of £12,50/day even residents.

Anyone who has a diesel vehicle over 3.5t is already caught by the normal LEZ (roughly anywhere inside the M25) and the charge for that, when on the move, is £100 p.d.

I have a house there and to get there had to down-weight to under 3.5t, or £100 to get there one day and another £100 to leave on a different day.

No chance to get a Resident's Permit to park for a vehicle over 2.5m, so had to use Visitor's Permits(50 a year?)

I think I knew a way in avoiding the cameras but never proved it, but have not seen the house for 4-5 years - I wonder if it is still there? If not the tenants are paying a lot for nothing:LOL:

Anyone with a diesel MH really now needs to live in the country with their own plot for parking the MH and maybe a car or two, depending on the household.

Geoff

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No it was meant to be extended in October 2020 but was delayed for a year due to covid.
he introduced it on the back of a scamming vote available only to registered users of TfL who voted on a new Ultra emission zone.
the majority was 52-48% of approximatly 30k who voted out of the 8,912,000 people who live in the capital.
On the basis of that he extended & increased requirements for the LEZ & stated that the vote gave him the right to extend the Ultra LEZ ,that hadn't then even been started, to the N&S circular in october 2020.
so 1,79% of the population voted to introduce the ULEZ.The vast majority being pedestrians, walkers, cyclists & non -motorists.
A bit like another vote we had ?
How it can be legal to allow only information to be available only to members of TfL & also only registered members could vote defies belief. Smacks of the union meetings where a Quorum could control 000's.
Now the extension to North & south means anyone without a vehicle less than 3 years old is subject to a charge of £12,50/day even residents.
hi gus are you sure my van is euro 6 so is ok but the car is 2014 euro5 and is also ok just got this off the tfl
The ULEZ standards for existing central London ULEZ and when the zone expands are:

  • Euro 3 for motorcycles, mopeds, motorised tricycles and quadricycles (L category)
  • Euro 4 (NOx) for petrol cars, vans, minibuses and other specialist vehicles
  • Euro 6 (NOx and PM) for diesel cars, vans and minibuses and other specialist vehicles
  • Euro VI (NOx and PM) for lorries, buses and coaches and other specialist heavy vehicles (NOx and PM)
 
Thank you mr Khan
To be fair, it's not his fault.

The previous mayor was prosecuted for permitting levels of pollution way over the world legal limits and even over the UK legal limits.
The previous mayor set up the central London congestion zone (which was free to EV's) but baulked on setting up the LEZ and ULEZ zones as he knew it would cost him votes.
The previous mayor lost the mayoral election in anycase, as all be did was blame his predecessor for anything that went wrong (such as not building enough houses). After 8 years in power he left the new mayor, Khan, with 3,000 house planned, should have been 30,000.

Previous Mayors name ? Boris Johnson......
 
Anyone who has a diesel vehicle over 3.5t is already caught by the normal LEZ (roughly anywhere inside the M25) and the charge for that, when on the move, is £100 p.d.

I have a house there and to get there had to down-weight to under 3.5t, or £100 to get there one day and another £100 to leave on a different day.

No chance to get a Resident's Permit to park for a vehicle over 2.5m, so had to use Visitor's Permits(50 a year?)

I think I knew a way in avoiding the cameras but never proved it, but have not seen the house for 4-5 years - I wonder if it is still there? If not the tenants are paying a lot for nothing:LOL:

Anyone with a diesel MH really now needs to live in the country with their own plot for parking the MH and maybe a car or two, depending on the household.

Geoff
I've just done a check on their website for our 2013, 3.85t, 2.3 diesel and it says that there will be no charge to pay. Until covid we were frequent visitors to Crystal Palace C&MC site and never had to pay any charges. And that is both the LEZ and the ULEZ.
 
The enhanced vision one I'm talking about. Instead of tackling those cyclists (not all) that are suicidal he wants all articulated lorries fitted with cameras and sensors along the nearside, these vehicles already have at least 6 mirrors yet even the most observant drivers cannot look at 8 things at the same time.

Of course what Khan really wants is everything delivered on small EVs, what he does not realise is how many of these would be needed to supply and feed a city of that size.
He can want all of the cameras he wants. It won’t make a blind bit of difference.
I drive HGVs at work and I cycle to work.
I have to have eyes at the back of my head and nerves of steel with some of the idiots on the road. Having cameras (our HGVs do) doesn’t eliminate near misses.
As for cyclists, they’re like motorists. There are good ones and there are real bad ones. The problem with London and other big cities is that there are more cycle users due to couriers, food deliverers, those using the Boris type hire bikes and commuters. All in a hurry and most willing to take risks that quieter road cyclist users would not take. Rather than shafting the HGV owner or driver, Khan should be lobbying for all cyclists to undertake road usage lessons and assessment and make insurance compulsory. This should be done in conjunction with the cycle manufacturers who could offer their own road user insurance for their brand of bike and incentivise the cyclist to pass the assessment to get insured to use their bike on a road.
We have big stickers on the rear near side of our HGVs warning cyclists not to pass on the inside. They still squeeze down the most narrowest of gaps between the side and the pavement or barrier. Even when we are indicating to turn left.
It’s because of attitude.
They are more important that me. They are busier than me. They have a right to do what they want. Or so it seems.
As for emissions, I agree that something needs to be done. But there’s other emission polluting outlets as bad as HGVs.
How many attend or host a bonfire on/around the 5th November?
It makes me laugh that there must be on average a bonfire lit on every other street in the UK on the same night around the same time, where some use it as an excuse to burn what their local tip will not accept. I’ve not seen Khan make comment on that since he took office.
 
He can want all of the cameras he wants. It won’t make a blind bit of difference.
I drive HGVs at work and I cycle to work.
I have to have eyes at the back of my head and nerves of steel with some of the idiots on the road. Having cameras (our HGVs do) doesn’t eliminate near misses.
As for cyclists, they’re like motorists. There are good ones and there are real bad ones. The problem with London and other big cities is that there are more cycle users due to couriers, food deliverers, those using the Boris type hire bikes and commuters. All in a hurry and most willing to take risks that quieter road cyclist users would not take. Rather than shafting the HGV owner or driver, Khan should be lobbying for all cyclists to undertake road usage lessons and assessment and make insurance compulsory. This should be done in conjunction with the cycle manufacturers who could offer their own road user insurance for their brand of bike and incentivise the cyclist to pass the assessment to get insured to use their bike on a road.
We have big stickers on the rear near side of our HGVs warning cyclists not to pass on the inside. They still squeeze down the most narrowest of gaps between the side and the pavement or barrier. Even when we are indicating to turn left.
It’s because of attitude.
They are more important that me. They are busier than me. They have a right to do what they want. Or so it seems.
As for emissions, I agree that something needs to be done. But there’s other emission polluting outlets as bad as HGVs.
How many attend or host a bonfire on/around the 5th November?
It makes me laugh that there must be on average a bonfire lit on every other street in the UK on the same night around the same time, where some use it as an excuse to burn what their local tip will not accept. I’ve not seen Khan make comment on that since he took office.
There was a Polish lorry in the RDC I was in today with the new French stickers on it, horrible looking things, no way are they going to make any difference at all and I can't imagine those on the thread about it being happy to have them on their pride and joys.

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Anyone who has a diesel vehicle over 3.5t is already caught by the normal LEZ (roughly anywhere inside the M25) and the charge for that, when on the move, is £100 p.d.

I have a house there and to get there had to down-weight to under 3.5t, or £100 to get there one day and another £100 to leave on a different day.

No chance to get a Resident's Permit to park for a vehicle over 2.5m, so had to use Visitor's Permits(50 a year?)

I think I knew a way in avoiding the cameras but never proved it, but have not seen the house for 4-5 years - I wonder if it is still there? If not the tenants are paying a lot for nothing:LOL:

Anyone with a diesel MH really now needs to live in the country with their own plot for parking the MH and maybe a car or two, depending on the household.

Geoff
Mines 4.5 tones and exempt
 
Imagine how small new houses will be that are built in London if they have to cut the roof trusses in half to fit on little transit trucks, or the floor joists.
 
my doctor, my hospital,my family,my friends my house will that do
I would move and change dr etc and get the family to visit me. Inside the M25 not for me thanks

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He can want all of the cameras he wants. It won’t make a blind bit of difference.
I drive HGVs at work and I cycle to work.
I have to have eyes at the back of my head and nerves of steel with some of the idiots on the road. Having cameras (our HGVs do) doesn’t eliminate near misses.
As for cyclists, they’re like motorists. There are good ones and there are real bad ones. The problem with London and other big cities is that there are more cycle users due to couriers, food deliverers, those using the Boris type hire bikes and commuters. All in a hurry and most willing to take risks that quieter road cyclist users would not take. Rather than shafting the HGV owner or driver, Khan should be lobbying for all cyclists to undertake road usage lessons and assessment and make insurance compulsory. This should be done in conjunction with the cycle manufacturers who could offer their own road user insurance for their brand of bike and incentivise the cyclist to pass the assessment to get insured to use their bike on a road.
We have big stickers on the rear near side of our HGVs warning cyclists not to pass on the inside. They still squeeze down the most narrowest of gaps between the side and the pavement or barrier. Even when we are indicating to turn left.
It’s because of attitude.
They are more important that me. They are busier than me. They have a right to do what they want. Or so it seems.
As for emissions, I agree that something needs to be done. But there’s other emission polluting outlets as bad as HGVs.
How many attend or host a bonfire on/around the 5th November?
It makes me laugh that there must be on average a bonfire lit on every other street in the UK on the same night around the same time, where some use it as an excuse to burn what their local tip will not accept. I’ve not seen Khan make comment on that since he took office.
Back when I were a lad .....

We were encouraged to cycle to school.
Anyone who had their Mummy pick them up from school by car was mercilessly teased.

When we went to 'Big School' at the age of 11 we spent Three (??) days in the playground with the Cycle Proficiency Instructor, where we all learned how to ride a bike on the roads safely, how to signal properly, how to change lanes, not to go up the inside of large vehicles, watch left turners, and so on.
Only once we had passed the course (and some did not pass) and got the Certificate were we then allowed to cycle to school.

Most of the rest of northern Europe has had this as part of the school curriculum for decades. Why did we get rid of it in the 70's ?

When you lot elect me a president for life, I'll be reintroducing the Cycle Proficiency Certificate for every 11 year old.
 
Imagine how small new houses will be that are built in London if they have to cut the roof trusses in half to fit on little transit trucks, or the floor joists.
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Imagine how small new houses will be that are built in London if they have to cut the roof trusses in half to fit on little transit trucks, or the floor joists.

😂

This is the problem when the person in charge hasn’t got an idea about the real world 🙄
 
Back when I were a lad .....

We were encouraged to cycle to school.
Anyone who had their Mummy pick them up from school by car was mercilessly teased.

When we went to 'Big School' at the age of 11 we spent Three (??) days in the playground with the Cycle Proficiency Instructor, where we all learned how to ride a bike on the roads safely, how to signal properly, how to change lanes, not to go up the inside of large vehicles, watch left turners, and so on.
Only once we had passed the course (and some did not pass) and got the Certificate were we then allowed to cycle to school.

Most of the rest of northern Europe has had this as part of the school curriculum for decades. Why did we get rid of it in the 70's ?

When you lot elect me a president for life, I'll be reintroducing the Cycle Proficiency Certificate for every 11 year old.
Still do it at our village junior school just outside Doncaster
 
Only once we had passed the course (and some did not pass) and got the Certificate were we then allowed to cycle to school.

Remember it well.

The P C doing ours wasn’t impressed when I came across the playground on the back wheel.

I did point out it was not a public road 😂

Still passed as well 😉😊

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