Increase pay load (1 Viewer)

[Captain Lloyd]

I want to increase my payload can anybody recommend where to go

 

[Minxy]

I want to increase my payload can anybody recommend where to go

I think you've got a Rapido 9090df so may be on the 'light' chassis, if so then you can only go up to 3850kg without modifications/changes.

I recommend a chap called John Ruffles who is less than half the price of SVTech but best to give us more info here about your current vehicle weight, chassis etc so we can advise on what's realistic.

 

[mike mcglynn]

Try SV tech I believe they are the experts ,

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[Captain Lloyd]

I think you've got a Rapido 9090df so may be on the 'light' chassis, if so then you can only go up to 3850kg without modifications/changes.

I recommend a chap called John Ruffles who is less than half the price of SVTech but best to give us more info here about your current vehicle weight, chassis etc so we can advise on what's realistic.

Yes your correct I’m on a light chassis I can go up to 3900kg

 

[Captain Lloyd]

I think you've got a Rapido 9090df so may be on the 'light' chassis, if so then you can only go up to 3850kg without modifications/changes.

I recommend a chap called John Ruffles who is less than half the price of SVTech but best to give us more info here about your current vehicle weight, chassis etc so we can advise on what's realistic.

I asked Conrad Anderson’s who did my self levelling they said I would need new springs on the front and air suspension on the rear said it would be about £4000

 

[treetops1]

SVTech is the way to go .lol

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[Lenny HB]

John Ruffels is great if you know what you want and exactly what you need to do to the van if not probably better to pay the extra and get SV tech to sort you out.

 

[Minxy]

I asked Conrad Anderson’s who did my self levelling they said I would need new springs on the front and air suspension on the rear said it would be about £4000

Interesting ... usually up to 3850kg on the light chassis is within it's reach without any mods ... it wasn't the extra 50kg that required the £4,000 changes was it?

 

[gus-lopez]

If you speak to either first, they will tell you what weight you can go to now & without any modifications. As @Minxy Girl said 3850 should be ok without any mods

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[Lenny HB]

Need to look at rear axle loading as you can uprate to 3850 and gain very little if rear axle is close to it's limit. Last van we uprated to 3850 but only gained 150 kg due to rear axle loading.

 

[wizza]

If you fit air assist to rear and change tyre ratings you can increase rear from 2000 kg to 2240 kg, front stays at 1850 kg but you can’t go over 3850 kg total on light chassis.

 

[Deleted member 29692]

Yes your correct I’m on a light chassis I can go up to 3900kg

You can’t. Mel is correct, it’s 3850.

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[Deleted member 29692]

I asked Conrad Anderson’s who did my self levelling they said I would need new springs on the front and air suspension on the rear said it would be about £4000

For 50kg? Why would you bother?

3850 is a paper exercise with no work needed.

Also the AlKo chassis is only tested to 3850 so on top of the £4k of pointless work you’d also need to pay at least the same again on testing to make sure the chassis can cope.

 

[Captain Lloyd]

For 50kg? Why would you bother?

3850 is a paper exercise with no work needed.

Also the AlKo chassis is only tested to 3850 so on top of the £4k of pointless work you’d also need to pay at least the same again on testing to make sure the chassis can cope.

Sorry my mistake my payload at the moment is 3700k an extra 150k would just enough

 

[PP Bear]

Give this guy a call. He's far better value, swift and easy to do.

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[Mr Chrysalis]

I took my Rapido from 3650 to 4000 with new springs and struts st the front, air assist at the back and higher rates tyres all round. I used SV Tech for the paperwork and Dave Newell for the engineering work. Cost was approx £2000. Details here:
https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/uprating.179223/#post-2980489

 

[Hettie's Crew]

Sorry my mistake my payload at the moment is 3700k an extra 150k would just enough

We up rated from 3700kg to the max allowed on a light chassis of 3850kg by fitting rear air assist and bigger tyres, a lot of expense for only 150kg. Though the main reason we did it was to increase the rear axle limit from 2000kg to 2240kg.
I would advise caution using JR consultancy, as we received wrong advice from him regarding the max weights we could go to, SV Tech, though twice the price, appear far more expert in this regard.

 

[Deleted member 29692]

Give this guy a call. He's far better value, swift and easy to do.
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If you can manage to contact him and if you know what you’re doing without needing MH specific technical advice.

He’s fine if all you need is someone to rubber stamp the paperwork.

He’s useless if you need make and model specific advice for your vehicle. That’s not intended as a dig because it’s not his field. I don’t think he’d even heard of motorhomes before Mel doorstepped him

SV win every time just on industry knowledge.

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[Ninjabob]

If you fit air assist to rear and change tyre ratings you can increase rear from 2000 kg to 2240 kg, front stays at 1850 kg but you can’t go over 3850 kg total on light chassis.

You cannot do this with my Bailey ALKO chassis despite having Air Assist - the maximum is 2000kg regardless.

 

[Deleted member 29692]

You cannot do this with my Bailey ALKO chassis despite having Air Assist - the maximum is 2000kg regardless.

You could. The question is whether there's any point.

 

[Ninjabob]

You could. The question is whether there's any point.

I was told (on the phone by SVTech) this could not be done.

I would upgrade in an instant if it was possible.

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[Hettie's Crew]

You cannot do this with my Bailey ALKO chassis despite having Air Assist - the maximum is 2000kg regardless.

Have you checked this out with SV Tech, ours is an Alko 2000 and is now rated as 2240 after fitting air assist and bigger tyres.

 

[Deleted member 29692]

I was told (on the phone by SVTech) this could not be done.

I would upgrade in an instant if it was possible.

Have you checked this out with SV Tech, ours is an Alko 2000 and is now rated as 2240 after fitting air assist and bigger tyres.

It's possible with air assist and tyres and stuff.

The question stilll stands as to whether there's any point. The extra 240kg on the rear does not give you any extra on the max and very few 3850 vans (mine included) have that much to play with.

 

[bellabee]

I would advise caution using JR consultancy, as we received wrong advice from him regarding the max weights we could go to, SV Tech, though twice the price, appear far more expert in this regard.

I second what @Hettie's Crew has said. Because our up-rating should have been simple, and we knew what was possible and what we wanted, we went to J R Consultancy. He made so many errors, and caused us so much hassle, that we eventually (after several months of banging our heads against a brick wall) got him to refund our money. We then approached SV Tech, who completed the process within two weeks.

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[Captain Lloyd]

For 50kg? Why would you bother?

3850 is a paper exercise with no work needed.

Also the AlKo chassis is only tested to 3850 so on top of the £4k of pointless work you’d also need to pay at least the same again on testing to make sure the chassis can cope.

I took my Rapido from 3650 to 4000 with new springs and struts st the front, air assist at the back and higher rates tyres all round. I used SV Tech for the paperwork and Dave Newell for the engineering work. Cost was approx £2000. Details here:
https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/uprating.179223/#post-2980489

That’s really helpful thanks very much

 

[Mr Chrysalis]

You can’t. Mel is correct, it’s 3850.

You can if you uprate Tyres and both front and rear suspension

 

[Pausim]

What is the attitude of insurance companies to uprating the chassis above its original design specification (3850)? Not an issue I have any experience of but when discussing other modifications with NFU I was told that they were principally concerned with mods that affected performance and handling. Presumably air suspension and tyre sizes have such an effect. Not looking to be contentious here, just wondering if they nod these things through.

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[Pausim]

Is this the answer to payload problems?

 

[Mr Chrysalis]

What is the attitude of insurance companies to uprating the chassis above its original design specification (3850)? Not an issue I have any experience of but when discussing other modifications with NFU I was told that they were principally concerned with mods that affected performance and handling. Presumably air suspension and tyre sizes have such an effect. Not looking to be contentious here, just wondering if they nod these things through.

I told my insurance I was going to do it ( tyres, front and rear suspension), then I told them when I’d done it. They were perfectly happy and no change in rates. When they say performance and handling they are only interested in things that make it go faster or handle worse. All of the payload increase work makes it handle much better, and presumably go a bit slower cos of the extra weight!