I'm worrying about weight now..... (1 Viewer)

[Luvin156]

......and I hadn't even got a MH yet.
I am restricted to 3500kg due to MH licence and after reading a few posts on here it looks like I may have to reconsider what I'm looking for.

I'm looking for at least a 4birth I will be travelling with my wife, teenager and 8 year old. I'm about 100kg on my own (Might have to go on a diet) From what I can gather I will be using half the payload on us, leaving very little for water clothing and the rest we will be needing.

Has anyone else had these issues and how do you he over them? Oram I looking at it all wrong?

Thanks for any advice

Paul

 

[Lenny HB]

And there I was, thinking they had taken the lead out of paints years ago.

I think 30kg is a little optimistic.....even with lead included.

Just checked various Hymer price lists over the last few years & various models and 30kg is what they quote for Silver or Champagne finish which seems odd as it is pre-coated aluminium. It is metallic but 30Kg of fine metal flakes still seems a lot.

 

[Larrynwin]

Just checked various Hymer price lists over the last few years & various models and 30kg is what they quote for Silver or Champagne finish which seems odd as it is pre-coated aluminium. It is metallic but 30Kg of fine metal flakes still seems a lot.

More than likely not just one coat.

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[TheBig1]

I have a max weight now of 4250kg, any idea what I can upgrade to?

depending on the chassis used, the suspension and tyres the maximum varies, often 4250kg on a 7m van

 

[Emmit]

Here's the link @Chris
Ralph said he man was as very knowledgeable and helpful .
http://www.svtech.co.uk/

Iv'e sent you a PM re this.

 

[Chris]

depending on the chassis used, the suspension and tyres the maximum varies, often 4250kg on a 7m van

We are 8 m

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[Ralph-n-Bev]

Iv'e sent you a PM re this.

I haven't got it yet ?

 

[Judge Mental]

depending on the chassis used, the suspension and tyres the maximum varies, often 4250kg on a 7m van

That's wot I thought.....

 

[TheBig1]

We are 8 m

then you are almost definitely at the limit already at 4250kg

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[Minxy]

I have a max weight now of 4250kg, any idea what I can upgrade to?

Probably 4500kg but you might have to do some upgrading work on suspension, tyres etc.

 

[Minxy]

you can DIY the process a lot cheaper @minxy nows all the tricks she is to weights what I am to importing

Oi ... I hope you're not trying to imply that I'm a heavyweight!

 

[Minxy]

Just checked various Hymer price lists over the last few years & various models and 30kg is what they quote for Silver or Champagne finish which seems odd as it is pre-coated aluminium. It is metallic but 30Kg of fine metal flakes still seems a lot.

It seems a lot of weight for a paint job but if you think of a tin of paint you'd use at home for a couple of coats on a wall, the tin is quite heavy, so if you did several coats on a motorhome to get the final finish, 30kg possibly isn't that unrealistic a figure.

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[TheBig1]

a lot of the weight in paint still in the tin is the solvent carrier. these days the paint is mostly water based so that evaporates as the paint cures

 

[Minxy]

Mel @Minxy Girl knows someone who is a lot cheaper, didn't let us know until after I'd done mine.

It wasn't intentional ... you shouldn't have been so impatient!

@Chris

This thread gives details of the chap I used for my uprating, and he has been used by quite a few other funsters now who have saved a fair bit of dosh:

http://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum...ow-take-clothes-and-food.127503/#post-1799546

 

[Minxy]

I believe you can uprate your payload, in some cases, without making any modifications - does that make sense?.

Yup, that's exactly what we did - our PVC is built on the 'heavy' Maxi chassis but was only plated at 3500kg, however another funster told me it was a paper exercise to uprate it so I decided to investigate, and that's how I found the chap who I used who is a lot cheaper than SVTech. Our payload was approx 500kg originally, now it's 1250kg!

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[Minxy]

a lot of the weight in paint still in the tin is the solvent carrier. these days the paint is mostly water based so that evaporates as the paint cures

... but maybe the 'bright spark' that put the weight down on the specs has taken it from the original weight of the paint before it was applied ...

 

[Lenny HB]

... but maybe the 'bright spark' that put the weight down on the specs has taken it from the original weight of the paint before it was applied ...

It is a pre coated panel not spayed as such the silver would replace the white so I wouldn't expect it to be that heavy but the GRP front is probably sprayed.

 

[peterc10]

And there I was, thinking they had taken the lead out of paints years ago.

I think 30kg is a little optimistic.....even with lead included.

Well that's what the books say, and manufacturers rarely overstate their weights

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[Minxy]

Well that's what the books say, and manufacturers rarely overstate their weights

True but I bet it's a typo and should be 3kg in reality.

 

[Lenny HB]

True but I bet it's a typo and should be 3kg in reality.

I have checked Hymer price lists going back to 2013 and all models so I don't think so.

 

[Minxy]

I have checked Hymer price lists going back to 2013 and all models so I don't think so.

... a continual typo ... if its not picked up by someone in the know the first time it is likely never to be in subsequent lists unless a technician or someone knowledgeable reads it which if it is just being typed-up and proofed they wouldn't ... it's amazing what can slip through for years without being spotted!

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[peterc10]

True but I bet it's a typo and should be 3kg in reality.

Now that would be some typo - it appears a good few times.

 

[Langtoftlad]

It seems a lot of weight for a paint job but if you think of a tin of paint you'd use at home for a couple of coats on a wall, the tin is quite heavy, so if you did several coats on a motorhome to get the final finish, 30kg possibly isn't that unrealistic a figure.

I know it takes about 250kgs of paint to respray a 747 Jumbo .
Does that help?
Mind you I don't think that's metallic paint.

Regards Steve

 

[Minxy]

Now that would be some typo - it appears a good few times.

Is easy to do ... I used to work in a typing services office and even proof reading it wasn't difficult to 'read' what you thought it said rather than what it actually said ... took a lot of concentration!

What do other manufacturer's say the weight is for paint jobs on their MHs?

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[peterc10]

A typo on one page for one year? maybe. But this is on multiple pages for multiple years. Very very unlikely.

The top of the roof section of my grey Hymer has an additional white layer of what appears to be ABS (or maybe GRP) bonded on top what is the otherwise grey GRP sandwich roof. It is there to provide a reflective coating to prevent thermal gain. If the whole roof section was made in white (as the standard ones are) you would see it because the junction between roof and side sections is about 6" down from the roof. My guess is that is why they add the white as an additional layer over part but not all of the roof section. And I suspect the vast majority of the additional 30kg is the weight of that additional layer

 

[ludo]

Is easy to do ... I used to work in a typing services office and even proof reading it wasn't difficult to 'read' what you thought it said rather than what it actually said ... took a lot of concentration!

What do other manufacturer's say the weight is for paint jobs on their MHs?

I think that you are right! 3.0 kg sounds about right. The metaillic paintwork on your Globecar is 2.5 kg Mel, according to the manufacturer.

The 2.5 kg is the difference between the weight of the standard solid colour and the metallic. The weight of the whole paint job may well be 30 kg.

 

[gus-lopez]

... a continual typo ... if its not picked up by someone in the know the first time it is likely never to be in subsequent lists unless a technician or someone knowledgeable reads it which if it is just being typed-up and proofed they wouldn't ... it's amazing what can slip through for years without being spotted!

There are formulas to work it out.


There's a formula for it as well

L x W x density of paint( g/cm3) x 1/1000 = Kgs of paint

30kgs wouldn't be out of the way.

In fact the more you read about paint application & thickness /weight they are doing exceptionally well to keep it down to 30kgs.
Most estimates are 500g per m2 for top coat & 800g/m2 for primers.

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[Minxy]

Not having a Hymer, what are the 'coated' in normally? I assume its a paint job already so surely it can't add ANOTHER 30kg in weight just to change it from the plain colour to the metalic one, assuming it is done instead and not as well!

 

[peterc10]

Not having a Hymer, what are the 'coated' in normally? I assume its a paint job already so surely it can't add ANOTHER 30kg in weight just to change it from the plain colour to the metalic one, assuming it is done instead and not as well!

I have a Hymer - see post #84 above for the probable reason.

 

[Minxy]

I have a Hymer - see post #84 above for the probable reason.

But that doesn't tell me what the sides are made of/coated in ...

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[funflair]

Vario Mobil quote 20kg for an additional clear coat and 40kg for metallic but these vans are painted as they are not made with pre coloured alloy side panels, I would not have thought it would make such a difference on a Hymer, assuming the side panels are pre coloured but there again our friends older N+B Arto was painted Gold as it was coming off the roof and showing white underneath.

Martin