I amthinking, electric car???

[GWAYGWAY]

I have just seen several pristine Renault Zoes for 6200 pounds they are very low mileage 2016 plates the are from Renault returned private hired fleet. The price is excellent BUT the battery needs to be hired with it and the cost is variable with mileage for 4500 miles it is 588 pounds 6000 - 708 pounds and so on up to 10500 miles for 1068 pounds.
Thing is we do not do a lot of miles, but when you add the battery hire to the electricity costs it comes out about 18p per mile but my diesel Ford runs along at 12.7 p per mile so it is a no brainer to stay where I am with the Fiesta.. The cars are cheaper but hire charges are ongoing and you always remain paying until the car is sold, then the other person must sign up.. This make it impossible to sell privately as nobody is willing to hire their fuel tank ?????????? The other makes will all sell their cars without hire fees but cost more..
What do I do, Simple I stick with the Fiesta. at the current diesel price, it still looks good. So much for saving money, they are playing on the Save the world bandstand.
They cannot be towed by the van either.

p.s. my pound key has changed to# and# to\ WTF?????????????? makes it awkward typing if the keys don't match anymore.

 

[EuroTrotters]

Stick with the Fiesta or Buy an Ampera

 

[SpeedyDux]

I have just seen several pristine Renault Zoes for 6200 pounds they are very low mileage 2016 plates the are from Renault returned private hired fleet. The price is excellent BUT the battery needs to be hired with it and the cost is variable with mileage for 4500 miles it is 588 pounds 6000 - 708 pounds and so on up to 10500 miles for 1068 pounds.
Thing is we do not do a lot of miles, but when you add the battery hire to the electricity costs it comes out about 18p per mile but my diesel Ford runs along at 12.7 p per mile so it is a no brainer to stay where I am with the Fiesta.. The cars are cheaper but hire charges are ongoing and you always remain paying until the car is sold, then the other person must sign up.. This make it impossible to sell privately as nobody is willing to hire their fuel tank ?????????? The other makes will all sell their cars without hire fees but cost more..
What do I do, Simple I stick with the Fiesta. at the current diesel price, it still looks good. So much for saving money, they are playing on the Save the world bandstand.
They cannot be towed by the van either.

p.s. my pound key has changed to# and# to\ WTF?????????????? makes it awkward typing if the keys don't match anymore.

Give the Zoe a miss. The battery rental nonsense puts me off too.

 

[Stretto Boy]

My understanding is that the batteries for an electric car cost £ thousands to replace, so renting them spreads the capital cost over your period of ownership. Not a bad idea in principle but - as you have done - you need to crunch the numbers for your personal circumstances to see if it makes sense. Obviously it diesn’t for you.

Widespread ownership of electric cars will take off but only when issues around range, speed of charging, availability of charging points and the cost of batteries have been resolved.

 

[airwave]

Oh dear , now come on guy's , you didn't actually think that electric cars were gonna be cheaper to run , now did you . The government make a lot of money outta petrol sale's , if we all switched to electric tomorrow , they would be in dire straights . They need to cover that little issue somehow , personally i can see the price of both fossil fuel and electric rocket , as 2040 gets closer , and it will all be due to tax . They just need to find a way of doing it .

Still interesting though .

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[andyman]

If calculations are correct you are only doing about 3000 miles s year or 60 miles a week.
So do you need a car. Buses, taxis and use the motorhome ??

 

[34127]

I did the battery hire calculation for the Nissan Leaf and found that my 2.0 ltr diesel Octavia is cheaper per mile to run.

 

[VanLee]

Get a Tesla, so much fun

 

[Sandancers]

I looked into buying a Kia Niro, apart from it's expense the big worry is that one week after you have bought it a new type of battery is developed which is not backward compatible with your car and hence your new shiny car has just lost most of it's value.

 

[normanandsue]

I have bought an electric car with battery included, so with no rental charge I am quids in. You don't have to rent your battery. As the battery is made up of cells and not a single unit, cells are replaced as they loose power. I agree an electric car is not for everyone but for us it is fine.

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[Robert Clark]

I have just seen several pristine Renault Zoes for 6200 pounds they are very low mileage 2016 plates the are from Renault returned private hired fleet. The price is excellent BUT the battery needs to be hired with it and the cost is variable with mileage for 4500 miles it is 588 pounds 6000 - 708 pounds and so on up to 10500 miles for 1068 pounds.
Thing is we do not do a lot of miles, but when you add the battery hire to the electricity costs it comes out about 18p per mile but my diesel Ford runs along at 12.7 p per mile so it is a no brainer to stay where I am with the Fiesta.. The cars are cheaper but hire charges are ongoing and you always remain paying until the car is sold, then the other person must sign up.. This make it impossible to sell privately as nobody is willing to hire their fuel tank ?????????? The other makes will all sell their cars without hire fees but cost more..
What do I do, Simple I stick with the Fiesta. at the current diesel price, it still looks good. So much for saving money, they are playing on the Save the world bandstand.
They cannot be towed by the van either.

p.s. my pound key has changed to# and# to\ WTF?????????????? makes it awkward typing if the keys don't match anymore.

Have you considered the BMW i3?
There is no extra cost for the battery and it comes with an 8 year guarantee

 

[WillH]

Might work in Scotland, here it's free to charge your electric car at a public charging point.

 

[hilldweller]

Get a Tesla, so much fun

Are you @ShiftZZ love child from the day trip to Margate he had in 1962 ?

 

[DuxDeluxe]

Are you @ShiftZZ love child from the day trip to Margate he had in 1962 ?

He’s not that ugly....

http://blackadderquotes.com/baby-eating-bishop-bath-wells-blackadder-2-money

 

[Feltwell]

p.s. my pound key has changed to# and# to\ WTF?????????????? makes it awkward typing if the keys don't match anymore.

I think you've accidentally switched your keyboard from UK to US mode. Soon you will find it tries to get you to vote for a blonde haired buffoon and it develops an unhealthy obsession with guns & foreigners. As opposed to UK mode, where if a certain individual gets his way it will also soon try to get you to vote for a blonde haired buffoon and it will develop an unhealthy obsession, but this time with foreigners and other people's wives.

In all seriousness, that's what you've done, your PC thinks you've got an American keyboard. Try pressing Alt-Shift. If that doesn't work, check the setup through Control Panel.

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[hilldweller]

He’s not that ugly....]

Must take after his mother, but sure as hell, Clooney has nothing to fear.

 

[pappajohn]

I looked into buying a Kia Niro, apart from it's expense the big worry is that one week after you have bought it a new type of battery is developed which is not backward compatible with your car and hence your new shiny car has just lost most of it's value.

Now where have I seen that before?

Oh, I know....the mobile phone market.

 

[gus-lopez]

p.s. my pound key has changed to# and# to\ WTF?????????????? makes it awkward typing if the keys don't match anymore.

You have pressed bottom left "ctrl" & the one above "up" together by accident.I do it often. Press then both together again will change it back.
Took me ages to find out what I was accidentally doing.

They need to cover that little issue somehow ,

Covered at the weekend. They are looking at charging everyone else for road usage to cover what the electric car brigade will not be paying in fuel duty & vat.
Another scam .Like Londoners & the south -east having to cut emissions yet again so they can have a third runway that no one wants at Heathrow.

 

[sylvester1954]

Whilst l am no expert in the world of electric car v petrol/diesel l have owned 3 hybrid cars over the years and for me they worked brilliantly. Cheap enough to run and an absolute pleasure to drive and you don't have to worry about the lack of charging points around the country. Circumstances brought me around to a Peugeot 2008, a nice car but l would go back to the hybrid without a second thought if l get the opportunity.

 

[grumps147]

There is a lot of useful information on Battery Electric Vehicles on YouTube. I have been doing my own research and decided that at the moment they are not for us as we would want it to be more than a local run around.
Some of my needs that need to be addressed are i) the range for the majority, not that bad unless you hit motorways at high speed or hills, which we would want; ii) charging points, many seem to be broke, and the effort you need to put into planning for recharges en route seems to me to make any journey over your initial charge range a lottery. - though as has been stated you may fare better in Scotland, especially in Dundee; iii) charge point hogging - in some areas where certain groups use them as taxis you have no hope of getting on to a charge point, they won’t let anyone on while their ‘mates’ are needing a top up; iv) initial purchase cost - I remain to be convinced they are actually value for money unless you do a high mileage, and the cutting of the government subsidy to me was a barnpot decision if they want diesels off the road.
Here Is a link you may find useful for Nissan Leaf -

https://www.youtube.com/user/333Thundercatman

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[Tony50]

Get a Tesla, so much fun

Looked at the Gull wing doors version at the Solihull Touchwood shopping centre fantastic motor only £76000 !!

 

[busby]

Oh dear , now come on guy's , you didn't actually think that electric cars were gonna be cheaper to run , now did you . The government make a lot of money outta petrol sale's , if we all switched to electric tomorrow , they would be in dire straights . They need to cover that little issue somehow , personally i can see the price of both fossil fuel and electric rocket , as 2040 gets closer , and it will all be due to tax . They just need to find a way of doing it .

Still interesting though .

If we all changed to Electric tomorrow there would be wholesale power cuts,,The National Grid would not have the supply,,BUSBY

 

[Gromett]

I have just seen several pristine Renault Zoes for 6200 pounds they are very low mileage 2016 plates the are from Renault returned private hired fleet. The price is excellent BUT the battery needs to be hired with it and the cost is variable with mileage for 4500 miles it is 588 pounds 6000 - 708 pounds and so on up to 10500 miles for 1068 pounds.
Thing is we do not do a lot of miles, but when you add the battery hire to the electricity costs it comes out about 18p per mile but my diesel Ford runs along at 12.7 p per mile so it is a no brainer to stay where I am with the Fiesta.. The cars are cheaper but hire charges are ongoing and you always remain paying until the car is sold, then the other person must sign up.. This make it impossible to sell privately as nobody is willing to hire their fuel tank ?????????? The other makes will all sell their cars without hire fees but cost more..
What do I do, Simple I stick with the Fiesta. at the current diesel price, it still looks good. So much for saving money, they are playing on the Save the world bandstand.
They cannot be towed by the van either.

p.s. my pound key has changed to# and# to\ WTF?????????????? makes it awkward typing if the keys don't match anymore.

I agree I would never touch a battery lease...

However I believe you can now buy out the lease. Not sure if this would make the car you looked at too expensive though.
https://pushevs.com/2017/11/24/renault-now-lets-buy-battery-lease/

 

[DuxDeluxe]

Looked at the Gull wing doors version at the Solihull Touchwood shopping centre fantastic motor only £76000 !!

It fell out of the fugly tree though........ let’s just say that white does not show this car to its full advantage.....

Plenty of unsold new stock kicking around if you want one

 

[GWAYGWAY]

I agree I would never touch a battery lease...

However I believe you can now buy out the lease. Not sure if this would make the car you looked at too expensive though.
https://pushevs.com/2017/11/24/renault-now-lets-buy-battery-lease/

It is true you can buy the battery but only on the new models, the article you see is one for the EU where some countries allow it but France it is forbidden by law. You must lease and that is why Renault does it here. I have quietly forgotten all about it as the hassles are too big unlike the range. They are very inflexible on the lease, sign up for 24-36 month and if you run over the agreed limit it is 8p per mile added on the bill over the maximum. If you do not reach it tough you pay anyway and there is no way to vary the contract you are in and no way out.

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[Tony50]

Don't for get you have probably heavier suspension / steering gear , bigger load carrying tyres , ( not sure if this applies to battery no engine makes, but it certainly do to Hybrids makes , which all lead to extra expense when things wear out, as opposed to plain old petrol or diesel cars

 

[VanLee]

Looked at the Gull wing doors version at the Solihull Touchwood shopping centre fantastic motor only £76000 !!

Yea my brother has a 90k Tesla, tis fun for sure.

 

[airwave]

Covered at the weekend. They are looking at charging everyone else for road usage to cover what the electric car brigade will not be paying in fuel duty & vat.
Another scam .Like Londoners & the south -east having to cut emissions yet again so they can have a third runway that no one wants at Heathrow.

Oh really , i didn't know that . Now that will be really interesting then .

If we all changed to Electric tomorrow there would be wholesale power cuts,,The National Grid would not have the supply,,BUSBY

Actually that's very true , however i was ignoring that fact , me ole mucker .

Personally speaking , i find this battery leasing idea interesting , i can see it as a game changer , beit an expensive game changer . I've never seen electric as the way to go , the reason for this , is they have one massive drawback , and that's the battery itself . Without a cure for that , anyone buying a new car will be able to watch the depreciation , every single day . I certainly wouldn't buy a second hand electric , unless it had a new battery , and i seriously doubt many other people would too , unless it was at , an absolute rock bottom price . That would wipe the second hand market out , and without a second hand market there will be no one to sell these cars on to , in effect making them worthless . Another aspect that should never be forgotten , is not everyone can afford a new car , some not even second hand , with public transport unable to take up the slack , what would happen then ? .

I can see big problems ahead ! .

 

[tonyidle]

Another aspect that should never be forgotten ,

.............. is that many people would not buy a new car at any price. I'm one of them.

 

[airwave]

.............. is that many people would not buy a new car at any price. I'm one of them.

Ah , lol , yeah , and there's another point we agree on too , however i didn't mention anything about me .

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