I am looking at downplating my 2002 Hymer B584 from 4000kg to 3500kg. I have had it weighed and it came to 2890kg fully laden including attached bike and all so I am not worried about payload. But I have to estimate the unladen weight, for the forms. I can't find that information anywhere, does anyone know? Or know where to find it?
Hymer unladen weight?
- Thread starter EdwardFT
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Get it weighed unladen? At least you'd have evidence that it can get at least as low as that.
Otherwise look and see if there was any mention of shipping weight on the original manifest.
Otherwise look and see if there was any mention of shipping weight on the original manifest.
Sorry, cancel my request (except out of curiosity). I have been asked (by SVTech) to verify the adequacy of my proposed payload using this data, but it doesn't look like I need to put it on the form.
Since I had over 600kg free even with the van fully loaded, I am not worried about payload.
Since I had over 600kg free even with the van fully loaded, I am not worried about payload.
A search gave a Practical Motorhome Review This gave a MTPLM of 3500kgs with a payload of 445kgs. So would the unladen weight be 3055kgs. So your fully laden weight of 2890kgs seems very low.
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Curious. This is the second year running that the MOT brake test has shown axle weights that add up to less than 2900kg. Am I misunderstanding the significance of those figures? The MOT braking test measured it at 1260 front axle + 1630 rear axle = 2890 kg fully laden
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I'd take them with a pinch of salt .they are not certified weigh cells.
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My axle weights at MOT last week was under 3000kg yet I know for sure that it weighs nearer 3800kg.
You need to put it on a weighbridge to get any sensible idea of it’s true weight
AXO66
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But they use that weight to work out how efficient your brakes are.
And presumably if you took the same vehicle to different test centre all the info would match...........woudn’t it?
And presumably if you took the same vehicle to different test centre all the info would match...........woudn’t it?
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Your only sure way is to go on a weighbridge.BUSBY.
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Indeed. I need to get it on a weighbridge, no amount of googling will lead to the definitive truth, and the comments suggest that I can't depend on the MOT figures. What's the Spanish for weighbridge?
It must be possible, there are plenty of 2002 B584s around at 3500kg MAM. I may have to unload some stuff. And start calculating payload.
I do need to get it to 3500 because (a) I am 69½ (b) anyway I am resident in France and in the process of changing licence and registration to there. As I understand it when I exchange my UK licence for a French one, it is dated as of the issue of the French licence, and therefore will not have the C1 entitlement grandfathered.
It must be possible, there are plenty of 2002 B584s around at 3500kg MAM. I may have to unload some stuff. And start calculating payload.
I do need to get it to 3500 because (a) I am 69½ (b) anyway I am resident in France and in the process of changing licence and registration to there. As I understand it when I exchange my UK licence for a French one, it is dated as of the issue of the French licence, and therefore will not have the C1 entitlement grandfathered.
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As long as the weight you put is well under 3500kg they will be happy and they probably have no way of checking. Anyway most DVLA staff have no clue about motohomes weights, categories etc.
Geoff
No, but if you are weighed on the road it could be costly.
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The problem is until the OP has used a weighbridge to get the definitive weights on each axle he won't know whether what he has been 'told' by the MOT are accurate which I suspect are not and then he could find he's down-plated to 3500kg which isn't then sufficient for his needs especially being a full-timer.
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I suspect your van does not weigh 2,890 kgs fully laden but substantially more. Take it to a certified weighbridge before you do anything to verify what the laden weight actually is. Then you can make constructive decisions based on correct information.
I suspect that you (and others) are right.
Just had an inspiration. Those axle weights on the MOT are obviously brake test weights from standard data, as a guide for the MOT tester. Not an actual measured weight from the vehicle. So they probably represent some theoretical base vehicle weight, maybe approximately unladen weight (not necessarily MIRO). That would all make sense.
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