Hymer influence?

TheBig1

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Very plastic inside and no garage outside
 

funflair

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Not a huge amount of money for what you get compared to German stuff but I do wonder how they can build that under 7500kg there must be some corners cut in the construction.

Not for me though.

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Jim

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Very plastic inside and no garage outside

IMO the "Garage" is the absolute worst feature of modern motorhomes. Designed originally to house light items like a couple of pushbikes, but now vans under 4¼ tons tend to rely on the garage for all their storage. That is an inefficient use of space, it's poor storage as everything ends up in a heap and it's almost always too far behind the rear axle. For me, No garage = bonus
 

eddievanbitz

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Very plastic inside and no garage outside
Who needs a garage when you have SPACE !! Oh and an out side TV sound system and wet bar! I mean come on!

I am biased I have the 2018 Windsport and I love it

Mind you I have always favoured RV's over European or UK built vans

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TheBig1

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IMO the "Garage" is the absolute worst feature of modern motorhomes. Designed originally to house light items like a couple of pushbikes, but now vans under 4¼ tons tend to rely on the garage for all their storage. That is an inefficient use of space, it's poor storage as everything ends up in a heap and it's almost always too far behind the rear axle. For me, No garage = bonus
Your disliked feature is my must have, we are all different. The only option on an RV like that would be to mount a platform on the tow hitch to carry my mobility scooter. Then I can't tow the small car behind. Not all of us are blessed with the ability to walk or cycle to explore an area or collect provisions
 

funflair

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Who needs a garage when you have SPACE !! Oh and an out side TV sound system and wet bar! I mean come on!

I am biased I have the 2018 Windsport and I love it

Mind you I have always favoured RV's over European or UK built vans
We have plenty of storage space and could rig an outside TV if I wanted one but :unsure: no thanks, but I would not entertain a van without a garage where do you carry your bikes and/or scooter?

I don't see how it is that inefficient Jim as RV's without a garage just seem to have a lower bed so we have a bed and a garage in the same space, piles of junk are not allowed in my garage though and being 2600kg on the front axle a bit of weight behind the rear axle is a good thing in my book.

Good job we are all different though;)
 

Jim

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We have plenty of storage space and could rig an outside TV if I wanted one but :unsure: no thanks, but I would not entertain a van without a garage where do you carry your bikes and/or scooter?

I don't see how it is that inefficient Jim as RV's without a garage just seem to have a lower bed so we have a bed and a garage in the same space, piles of junk are not allowed in my garage though and being 2600kg on the front axle a bit of weight behind the rear axle is a good thing in my book.

Good job we are all different though;)

They are a great idea for vans of your size. But not on all the 3.5 ton vans where they have become so fashionable.

As for tidy garages. Well some have them. The vast majority I see start off ok till the little shelves and the floor is full, then everything is junked on top. far better for organisation to have a number of smaller lockers, rather than the big dustbin. 2.5 to 3m from the rear axle.

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They are a great idea for vans of your size. But not on all the 3.5 ton vans where they have become so fashionable.

As for tidy garages. Well some have them. The vast majority I see start off ok till the little shelves and the floor is full, then everything is junked on top. far better for organisation to have a number of smaller lockers, rather than the big dustbin. 2.5 to 3m from the rear axle.
tried getting our two electric bikes in an overhead locker but failed - ditto the BBQ, the outside table and chairs.
Garage perfect for us but we are quite strict in what we carry and how we organise it - even though we have plenty of payload for the rear we get nowhere near it.
 
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Ok Ok so a coupe of facts, Rear garages came about because lack of storage of outside items, Chassis in this weight category have
"cross load lockers" whilst admittedly not all in one space certainly by volume the same,
so to the bike thing, E-bikes buy foldable that fit in the side. Scooter sits on the tow frame, and still have tow ball for the rest The tow frame is rated
at 8000llbs thats 3.5 ton, !!The interior is refreshingly light coloured for a yank, The ford F550 chassis drive remarkable well, But its petrol.

Now if it was European Diesel powered, wow It would be a cracker.

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They are a great idea for vans of your size. But not on all the 3.5 ton vans where they have become so fashionable.

As for tidy garages. Well some have them. The vast majority I see start off ok till the little shelves and the floor is full, then everything is junked on top. far better for organisation to have a number of smaller lockers, rather than the big dustbin. 2.5 to 3m from the rear axle.
I agree about those who just shove everything in and pretend it doesn't matter that it's a mess, I couldn't live with it like that which is why I always organise my storage properly and ensure stuff is put away where it should be and whoa-betide 'anyone' (he who shall remain unnamed!) who just dumps anything back wherever he pleases! As we wanted a fixed rear bed it makes sense to use the area underneath it as much as possible, if it was a lower bed with more roof lockers it wouldn't work.

When we had the Rapido 709F with a longitudinal fixed bed the only access was either through a small locker door on the side or by lifting the bed base, as the folding bikes wouldn't go in via the locker door we had no choice but to lift them in/out via the interior which was an absolute s*d to do ... never again!
 

jumar

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The most perfect van for our lifestyles...
Good description of our current and next van...
 
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It will be of great interest, AS I was at Hymer in 2019, They were, to say the least pissed that they are owned by the Americans.
Make no mistake Hymer was saved here,The smart money is allowing a company to sell to its market, which Thor do very well.
 

Jim

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It will be of great interest, AS I was at Hymer in 2019, They were, to say the least pissed that they are owned by the Americans.
Make no mistake Hymer was saved here,The smart money is allowing a company to sell to its market, which Thor do very well.

I think Hymer owed them some cash, but it wasnt a hostile takeover. So why would they be pissed? Hymer were in profit selling 2.5bn€ of vans and caravans at the time of the sale.

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IMO the "Garage" is the absolute worst feature of modern motorhomes. Designed originally to house light items like a couple of pushbikes, but now vans under 4¼ tons tend to rely on the garage for all their storage. That is an inefficient use of space, it's poor storage as everything ends up in a heap and it's almost always too far behind the rear axle. For me, No garage = bonus
Wow Controversial or what Jim!

Like some others the garage was a must have. Its my very cramped man cave. If I had to keep the Bikes/BBQ/Silver screens/toolkit/chairs/awning/spare wheel/General crap inside the motorhome I would be able to see what an absolute tip it was :LOL:
 
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I didn’t realise garages were so important until you get a van without one, then you realise how much you miss it.
Trying to travel with chairs inside the van, falling over other stuff that won’t fit anywhere.
Bikes get ruined on exterior bike racks

Give me a garage, ours isn’t a big garage either
 
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Transitioning from a twin tag large garage Hymer to a RV required thought, but with some organisation the garage wasn’t missed - plus some RV locker space was lost to LPG tanks

We always kept a tidy garage when we had one, but the transition from the RV to a GlobeCar took some organisation too - but it can work when you carry what you need not what you might want .....

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In my view a garage is an almost a must have these days.
No one wants to hang a 2 grand mountain bike or battery powered bikes on the outside of their van.
Or have a rack / tow bar strong enough to support battery powered bikes if not a scooter.
Many people wants the flexibility of a second form of transport - if they must have a MoHo and not just have a caravan.
 

Jim

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Wow Controversial or what Jim!


Not really, I've had 30 great years of motorhoming without a garage. For me, different external lockers, such as beer, shoe, BBQ etc have been far more useful than one big hole at the back of the van. That said, I agree, If you have the payload and spare capacity on the rear axle then of course they can be useful for some who want to store expensive bikes or scoots.

My beef with garages are the vans with zero useful storage between the axles and you are supposed to carry everything in the garage.

Remember the guy here a year or so ago. He had a garage quoted to be able to hold 250kg. He put 160kg in his garage and found out his rear axle was overloaded by 100kg! So every kilo over 60, over loaded his rear axle by a little more than a kilo. the garage looked great but so does a chocolate fireguard, until you light the fire.
 
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Correct not a hostile take over, Thor paid 2.1 billion which included shares to the hymer family/board and a outstanding unpaid debts.
The work force is very typical southern German, with family members all working at the plant.and a long tradition in what they did,
then to have an American come and take over, the older of the staff lets say were not happy,
I guess the family members will have a different view. It was to early to see what benefits or changes were going to take place.
Another fact for you. The Thor Group, is the largest purchaser of Mercedes chassis for recreational vehicles. world wide.
 
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Not really, I've had 30 great years of motorhoming without a garage. For me, different external lockers, such as beer, shoe, BBQ etc have been far more useful than one big hole at the back of the van. That said, I agree, If you have the payload and spare capacity on the rear axle then of course they can be useful for some who want to store expensive bikes or scoots.

My beef with garages are the vans with zero useful storage between the axles and you are supposed to carry everything in the garage.

Remember the guy here a year or so ago. He had a garage quoted to be able to hold 250kg. He put 160kg in his garage and found out his rear axle was overloaded by 100kg! So every kilo over 60, over loaded his rear axle by a little more than a kilo. the garage looked great but so does a chocolate fireguard, until you light the fire.
One of my must have’s was a large garage as my bike wouldn’t get through the hab door, might look a bit cluttered but I don’t mind.
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Jim

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One of my must have’s was a large garage as my bike wouldn’t get through the hab door, might look a bit cluttered but I don’t mind.

Yes but your van also has a double floor with useful storage between the axles (y)

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jumar

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One of my must have’s was a large garage as my bike wouldn’t get through the hab door, might look a bit cluttered but I don’t mind. View attachment 483270 View attachment 483271 View attachment 483272 View attachment 483273
Some cheeky git parked in my parking bay a few days ago....but someone parking a motorbike in your motorhome garage is taking things bit far....if I were you I would lock it in future and come to think about it...drive off...that will teach the cheeky begger a lesson...
 
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When I looked at hurricanes about 2 years ago they had bugger all payload, they are semi basement so no double floor, no through lockers which in the main are already used for various utilities. Salesman tried to convince me it didn't matter if I went over 7.5 as that was what was on the plate so I would still be legal.
Nice inside though. :roflmto:

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