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[John & Joan]

I don't hog the middle lane but if you are travelling at 70 mph then why not as nothing should be passing you?

why not -because of this.

HIGHWAY CODE - Lane discipline
264

You should always drive in the left-hand lane when the road ahead is clear. If you are overtaking a number of slower-moving vehicles, you should return to the left-hand lane as soon as you are safely past. Slow-moving or speed-restricted vehicles should always remain in the left-hand lane of the carriageway unless overtaking. You MUST NOT drive on the hard shoulder except in an emergency or if directed to do so by the police, HA traffic officers in uniform or by signs.

[Laws MT(E&W)R regs 5, 9 & 16(1)(a), MT(S)R regs 4, 8 & 14(1)(a), and RTA 1988, sects 35 & 186, as amended by TMA 2004 sect 6]

265
The right-hand lane of a motorway with three or more lanes MUST NOT be used (except in prescribed circumstances) if you are driving
•any vehicle drawing a trailer
•a goods vehicle with a maximum laden weight exceeding 3.5 tonnes but not exceeding 7.5 tonnes, which is required to be fitted with a speed limiter
•a goods vehicle with a maximum laden weight exceeding 7.5 tonnes
•a passenger vehicle with a maximum laden weight exceeding 7.5 tonnes constructed or adapted to carry more than eight seated passengers in addition to the driver
•a passenger vehicle with a maximum laden weight not exceeding 7.5 tonnes which is constructed or adapted to carry more than eight seated passengers in addition to the driver, which is required to be fitted with a speed limiter

ivory55 : one that gets me is when i see the cars coming in a line down the slip road so i pull out a lane to let them join easily. they then sit in the inside lane stopping you pull back over, can not speed up as restricted to 54 as the firm likes to be sure we are legal. mean time there is a queue behind you now who will not be pleased that you slow down to pull back in. still all in a days work. ivory55

The worst thing I find is people barging in on motorway access roads in bunches. Abroad they have give way signs on the access road, they are missing here. As a large slow vehicle I use the inside lane at about 50 to 56mph. I am not able to quickly nip into the next lane due to traffic tailgating in the middle and or outer lane.

I find driving abroad relaxing, but as soon as I reach Dover, I find British aggressive drivers make driving hell. No one is prepared to wait for a second.

I was almost wiped out after arriving at Dover in March, by a waggon barging into the A2 road from a slip road from the A265. I was being tailgated and there was traffic in the outside lane also nose to tail, but he couldn't have given a dam and just barged in almost side swiping me, causing me to move over and almost side swipe the car on my outside.

How they can claim we have the safest roads in Europe I do not know.

HIGHWAY CODE - Driving on the motorway
259

Joining the motorway. When you join the motorway you will normally approach it from a road on the left (a slip road) or from an adjoining motorway. You should
•give priority to traffic already on the motorway
•check the traffic on the motorway and match your speed to fit safely into the traffic flow in the left-hand lane.
•not cross solid white lines that separate lanes or use the hard shoulder
•stay on the slip road if it continues as an extra lane on the motorway
•remain in the left-hand lane long enough to adjust to the speed of traffic before considering overtaking

Nowhere does it say, swap lanes to allow the traffic from the slip road priority as seems to be the common practice by some drivers.


I was taught the two second rule and still use it, but others will jump into the gap I leave, as they are being forced to pull over by traffic tailgating them at speed.

We need to stamp out aggressive driving in this country. Great to see that it is now being taken on board by the authorities.

John

 

[cmcardle75]

Nah. Trucks do 56, or thereabouts.

The 65 is the self-righteous vigilantes thinking they're in the right, when they are just breaking the law hogging the centre lane whilst driving well under the speed limit.

Christian.

Shuggy, I think you're spot on there - it takes a lot of skill and some of the reversing I've seen is just brilliant. However, no-one has answered my question of why not lift off momentarily to allow the other truck safely and quicklys past? I've never seen anyone do this in all the years of driving. Best drivers on the road - yes. Perfect - perhaps not..........

They should have an indicator light on the back when they hit the limiter. Then it should be illegal for a limited truck to overtake another truck with the light on. Either that, or a "turbo boost" button that gives them 1 minute at 60mph. Can only be used once an hour.

 

[laneside]

There is a simple rule to be applied

If you can be undertaken then you are driving like a pratt sort yourself out

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[DuxDeluxe]

There is a simple rule to be applied

If you can be undertaken then you are driving like a pratt sort yourself out

Brutally put there - got to agree with it though!:thumb:

 

[joner8888]

Lane conned off sections---
When the merc and bmw`s pelt down the outside lane till the last second to expect the whole motorway to let them in when there is a conned off lane :Angry:


This then has a ricochet effect for miles back the motorway.

If this on a dual carrigeway and the traffic is crawling , i will stay in the out side lane the same speed as the nearside so as to filter all in and stop the chancers leaving it till the last second:thumb:

 

[2657]

Shuggy, I think you're spot on there - it takes a lot of skill and some of the reversing I've seen is just brilliant. However, no-one has answered my question of why not lift off momentarily to allow the other truck safely and quicklys past?[HI] I've never seen anyone do this in all the years of driving.[/HI] Best drivers on the road - yes. Perfect - perhaps not..........

You have never seen me then

All circumstances are different and it is not always possible to do this but if I am slowly catching up with another vehicle then I will often slow down to their speed. The problem with doing this is the guy behind then decides to overtake me (usually slowly) and then pull into the safe gap I have left in front of me so I have to slow down a bit more to maintain a safe gap and then the next guy...........ad infinitum.

Regarding middle lane hoggers, again this problem is not as simple as some suggest. Nobody likes someone doing 50 mph in the middle lane and refusing to pull into a safe gap but in busy traffic pulling into a safe gap often leads to a situation were it can be very difficult to pull ou into lane 2 again. Usually because of the inconsiderate actions of others. It is a matter of judgement when to pull in taking into account road conditions and people have different opinions, I personally have grave doubts about the capabilty of the Police to make these judgements except in extreme cases.

Most accidents on Motorways occur when joining, exiting or changing lanes.

Are the Police going to stop people on the hard shoulder making another hazard.

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[WynandJean]

These have always been illegal manouvres so I can't help wondering why they have been largely ignored until now?

Also, are these manouvres only to be enforced on motorways? I think there are probably even more accidents/near misses caused by similar situations on dual carriageways. I live near the A4123 which was I believe one of the first dual carriageways. For many, many years it had signs along its length reminding drivers that they should:
STAY IN NEARSIDE LANE EXCEPT WHEN TURNING RIGHT OR OVERTAKING. One of the basic concepts of driving here is that in this country we drive on the left (not whichever part of the road happens to suit you)

When I see the drivers who just stay in the outside lane I often wonder what their reaction would be if someone should pull up in front of them on the offside of the road and park their car!

Wyn

 

[pappajohn]

And they are wrong + who says there spedo is correct

the law does :thumb:

By law a speedo can read fast, within reasonable limits , but under construction and use laws it cannot read slow.

That would make all speeding offences unenforceable.

 

[pappajohn]

no such thing as a middle lane....there is a driving lane on the left and two overtaking lanes to the right of that.

It has always been law to drive in the left hand lane and the current topic is the fact the law is going to be enforced........but that would mean a patrol car will have to follow an offender for a reasonable distance[ before stopping or reporting them.

Waste of public funds....or a money making excersize. ?

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[Shuggy68]

speed limit for hgv

speed limit for trucks is 60mph but they are all set at 56 mph or near abouts the older truck prior 94 don't have limiters on but the speed limit is 60 for trucks also 56 is more economical but to put this to bed ppl are to much in a rush they think they are all right ppl who have never drove a truck have no clue 16 gears 44 tonne takes a lot of skill I think the car test should be the same as an hgv test then standards would be better.:thumb:

 

[Ivory55]

i wonder why on motorways in france there is better lane manners then in our country. how has it become like this. ivory55

 

[Shuggy68]

france

i wonder why on motorways in france there is better lane manners then in our country. how has it become like this. ivory55

French motorways are not better there all the same france as u know is much bigger than uk so more space but the French have there pish poor drivers as well u go round paris between 0700 and 1700 nite mere

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[ukbill]

i dont think the issue is anything to do with the overtaker yes i get annoyed when a lorry takes a age to overtake another lorry dont forget you think ya doing 55 or 56 and you aint i never watch the speedo but i do my sat nav which gives me a truer speed the issue is the prat who sits in the middle lane with nothing on the inside lane and no one to overtake apart from the middle laner yes our roads are to small try the a12 at a rush hour i believe like germany there should be no overtaking by any truck and anything with a trailer on a 2 lane road it sems to work there so why not here but all the law needs changing while writing this they said that the fine for no insurance will also be raised Oh Please! no insurance should be a ban at least

 

[Ivory55]

yes your right there, in london there are loads driving around on third party fire and a prayer never having took a test. ivory55

 

[ukbill]

Lane conned off sections---
When the merc and bmw`s pelt down the outside lane till the last second to expect the whole motorway to let them in when there is a conned off lane :Angry:


This then has a ricochet effect for miles back the motorway.

If this on a dual carrigeway and the traffic is crawling , i will stay in the out side lane the same speed as the nearside so as to filter all in and stop the chancers leaving it till the last second:thumb:

this seems like you playing traffic cop which unless im mistaken you aint

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[ukbill]

as for french motorways they aint no different i was travling on 1 at a lovely speed of around 90 (not in the mh) with someone tryin to do at least 100 to 120 stuck up me arse flashing his lights at me which i would do to a middle laner but not someone overtaking someone in the outside lane

 

[DuxDeluxe]

French motorways are not better there all the same france as u know is much bigger than uk so more space but the French have there pish poor drivers as well u go round paris between 0700 and 1700 nite mere

The BP around Paris is similar to the M25 at its most crowded, not a lot of difference really, having driven both many times at all times of the day and night.

I must disagree with French road manners being the same. Not so, in my view; I drive in France, Belgium and Holland plus Germany many times every year and the lane discipline is infinitely better than UK. I'm not a trucker, so not a professional driver

 

[Shuggy68]

your wrong

The BP around Paris is similar to the M25 at its most crowded, not a lot of difference really, having driven both many times at all times of the day and night.

I must disagree with French road manners being the same. Not so, in my view; I drive in France, Belgium and Holland plus Germany many times every year and the lane discipline is infinitely better than UK. I'm not a trucker, so not a professional driver

DUXdeluxe the French are poor drivers I run my trucks over there every day they come up behind u flashing there lights smelling of garlic and onions

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[Campercaillie]

Some years ago, I came up behind a lane-hogger - in the outside of a two-lane dual carriageway, cruising along with not another car in sight. It was nightime and as I drew up behind him I thought he would react to the closing headlights, but he didn't. I gave him a flash - no reaction - I gave him another flash, and another, and eventually, I DID get a reaction. He calmly lifted his left hand and gave me the V-sign in his mirror. Enough was enough - I hit the blue lights and pulled him over..... being a traffic cop can at times be EXTREMELY satisfying!!!
(£75 and 3 points by the way!!)

 

[Chris]

In my experience the French have better lane discipline than we do, but don't half tailgate.

 

[ROB1CHELSEA1]

Some years ago, I came up behind a lane-hogger - in the outside of a two-lane dual carriageway, cruising along with not another car in sight. It was nightime and as I drew up behind him I thought he would react to the closing headlights, but he didn't. I gave him a flash - no reaction - I gave him another flash, and another, and eventually, I DID get a reaction. He calmly lifted his left hand and gave me the V-sign in his mirror. Enough was enough - I hit the blue lights and pulled him over..... being a traffic cop can at times be EXTREMELY satisfying!!!
(£75 and 3 points by the way!!)

Knew I should of pulled over earlieroh:

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[DuxDeluxe]

Some years ago, I came up behind a lane-hogger - in the outside of a two-lane dual carriageway, cruising along with not another car in sight. It was nightime and as I drew up behind him I thought he would react to the closing headlights, but he didn't. I gave him a flash - no reaction - I gave him another flash, and another, and eventually, I DID get a reaction. He calmly lifted his left hand and gave me the V-sign in his mirror. Enough was enough - I hit the blue lights and pulled him over..... being a traffic cop can at times be EXTREMELY satisfying!!!
(£75 and 3 points by the way!!)

Had a similar one a few years ago on the A12 - a Chav in an old Beemer carved me up in busy traffic by weaving in and out. Proceeded to do the same with the Honda Accord in front who did something that resulted in the arm out of the window and a single digit - followed about 0,02 of a second later by the blue lights going on. Made my day:thumb:

 

[DuxDeluxe]

DUXdeluxe the French are poor drivers I run my trucks over there every day they come up behind u flashing there lights smelling of garlic and onions

I call it as I see it - never had a problem. Try driving in Turkey or Azerbaijan if you think the French are poor drivers.......... Truly scary

 

[joner8888]

Some years ago, I came up behind a lane-hogger - in the outside of a two-lane dual carriageway, cruising along with not another car in sight. It was nightime and as I drew up behind him I thought he would react to the closing headlights, but he didn't. I gave him a flash - no reaction - I gave him another flash, and another, and eventually, I DID get a reaction. He calmly lifted his left hand and gave me the V-sign in his mirror. Enough was enough - I hit the blue lights and pulled him over..... being a traffic cop can at times be EXTREMELY satisfying!!!
(£75 and 3 points by the way!!)

Ha-- I would love your job-- :thumb: but i expect nowadays with so much traffic and so many idiots you can never keep up with it

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[DuxDeluxe]

Ha-- I would love your job-- :thumb: but i expect nowadays with so much traffic and so many idiots you can never keep up with it

Some years ago was hit hard from behind on the A3 near Hindhead when I pulled over to let a traffic car escorting an ambulance come the other way. The traffic officers who turned up to investigate were brilliant (unlike the guy who hit me whilst on his mobile - face full of airbag) but I was appalled at the abuse the cops got from passing traffic as they were dealing with it. They said it happens all the time :Sad:

 

[rolandrat]

I think we are missing something here. In defence of light commercial and car drivers we are all aware of what it is like driving in a rutted nearside motorway lane that is long overdue for resurfacing, its very dangerous in the wet and more safer in the middle lane at speed. We know it goes against the overtaking and hogging the outside lanes disciplines so I hope the law enforcers get the surfaces sorted out. The smaller vehicles wheel tracks are much narrower than the HGV's resulting in wrestling with the steering wheel to keep in a straight line.

 

[Shuggy68]

dont understand

In my experience the French have better lane discipline than we do, but don't half tailgate.

this sounds daft how can a tail gater be disciplined again chris not being funny mate go out on the road with a trucker mate

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[Nirvanauk]

this sounds daft how can a tail gater be disciplined again chris not being funny mate go out on the road with a trucker mate

Can you explain please?

 

[DuxDeluxe]

Confusing lane discipline left to right with tailgating forward and aft.


Be afraid, very afraid

 

[gloworm]

Shuggy, I think you're spot on there - it takes a lot of skill and some of the reversing I've seen is just brilliant. However, no-one has answered my question of why not lift off momentarily to allow the other truck safely and quicklys past? I've never seen anyone do this in all the years of driving. Best drivers on the road - yes. Perfect - perhaps not..........

I will answer your question, truck A, in nearside lane, truck B starts to overtake in outside lane, truck A reduces speed to allow truck B to pass, truck C then pulls out to pass truck A, truck A then resumes his original speed leaving truck C stuck in the out

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