So after a trip down the pub last night without me to start with , Malcs spoken to a really nice friend who was has a caravan /motorhome biz, newer models, he's asked what he thinks of Hymers older ones and he said 'they tend to leak' he'd be better off buying British, I have now turned up and this story was relayed to me, I couldn't believe it, I showed him Frasers van we'd seen and he said ahh an A frame, he sort of back tracked a bit. Sadly the seed has been sown............ But he said when we are looking let him know and he'll ring round he's dealers and see if they've got one, that's when he realised I was obsessed about them. Then I was called a hippy and much merriment ensued , but Malcs now talking about getting a double cab pick up and still camp, grrrrrr, I'm leaving it for now don't want to push him away whilst he's still waivering slightly. Thanks for listening Funsters xxx