Help with weight

[Jonnyboy M]

My revenue weight is 4T, I assume this is my max weight.
On my vin plate as pictured is info and also as pictured on outside of cab door.
What I'm trying to find is how much can I carry on board and in garage.
What is my unladen weight.
I'm a newbie trying to understand.
I have a bursner solano t710

 

[62272]

They wouldnt give you this figure as the weight it was when it left the factory to the weight after the dealer has put on all the accessories by the first customer would change.

The only way you will know is take it to any public weighbridge (empty) and weigh it on the plate (charge about £10).

Also dont forget to weigh both axles and then the rear axle (2 weights), as the distribution of load will have a big impact and you could be under your gross weight but over on the rear axle.

BTW the riveted manufacturers plate has been superseded by the stuck on convertors plate which is the only one which applies. (FYI)

 

[Tombola]

Damn...sorry I was hoping this was gong to be a help for weight loss thread....Ill move on then. continue my search

 

[Two on Tour]

Looks to me like the 4000kg is your max laden weight, the 6500kg is your train weight (total weight of your van and what you are towing, so you can tow up to 2500kg if you are at max van weight), #1 (2100kg) is your max front axle loading and #2 (2400kg) is your max rear axle loading.

 

[pappajohn]

The way factory weights are applied varies between converters, some include things like fresh water or one gas bottle and 75kg for the driver... But you may weigh considerably more than 75kg.
The only way to get a near enough true figure is empty it of everything not nailed down, including gas bottles and water.
If possible fill the fuel tank then go to a weigh bridge.
Weigh both axles independently then the van as a whole.
That will show how much weight you can put over each axle without exceeding the vans max weight.

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[poppycamper]

Only way to find unladen weight is to take van empty to weigh bridge and get unladen weight and the subtract from your 4000kg but keeping within axle weights... another visit to weigh bridge when you think fully loaded to check not over any of the 3 weights

 

[Jonnyboy M]

Looks to me like the 4000kg is your max laden weight, the 6500kg is your train weight (total weight of your van and what you are towing, so you can tow up to 2500kg if you are at max van weight), #1 (2100kg) is your max front axle loading and #2 (2400kg) is your max rear axle loading.

Thanks..makes more sense now..

 

[Two on Tour]

Thanks..makes more sense now..

I should have pointed out that as you can see that your max laden weight is 4000kg but both the front axle max and the rear axle max add up to 4500kg, so obviously if you go to max on the rear axle of 2400kg, then the max you can load your front axle to is 1600kg, so you will have to be aware of the weight on each axle combined does not exceed your 4000kg max.

 

[gus-lopez]

Looks to me like the 4000kg is your max laden weight, the 6500kg is your train weight (total weight of your van and what you are towing, so you can tow up to 2500kg if you are at max van weight), #1 (2100kg) is your max front axle loading and #2 (2400kg) is your max rear axle loading.

Trsin weight on fiat plate is 5500kgs but is superseded by burstner plate at 5400kgs.

 

[WESTY66]

Aside from the payload you might have available, it’s possible your garage might only be capable of 150kgs max, there should be a sticker somewhere informing you.

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[BouncyBoatFolk]

Aside from the payload you might have available, it’s possible your garage might only be capable of 150kgs max, there should be a sticker somewhere informing you.

Yes, ours was 150kg. I had additional struts bolted onto the chassis rails giving a more useful 250kg loading . This allowed us to put the step through Honda Wave in the garage, plus a few other toys,
Mike

 

[namwaldog]

I have a bursner solano t710

Do you know if the suspension etc. has been updated? Has it got twin rear wheels?
You havn't shown an ALKO chassis plate so presume you are on a standard (or probably heavy) Fiat Chassis.

The reason I ask is that our 2010 Solano t725 was factory rated at 3500kg on an ALKO chassis. I had it uprated without modification to 3850kg. The t725 is slightly longer than the t710 so I'm surprised (and a little jealous ) that you are rated at 4000kg!

 

[Two on Tour]

but is superseded by burstner plate at 5400kgs.

Yup, I got bit of plate confusion flicking between the two.

 

[BouncyBoatFolk]

Do you know if the suspension etc. has been updated? Has it got twin rear wheels?
You havn't shown an ALKO chassis plate so presume you are on a standard (or probably heavy) Fiat Chassis.

The reason I ask is that our 2010 Solano t725 was factory rated at 3500kg on an ALKO chassis. I had it uprated without modification to 3850kg. The t725 is slightly longer than the t710 so I'm surprised (and a little jealous ) that you are rated at 4000kg!

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Hi " Van Weight Engineering " will get you 2240KG on the back fairly easily as a paper exercise uplift. Worst case, you'll need some air bags, however on the positive side, they make for much better handling vehicle when compared to the standard static bump stops.
I had ours done twice, once to 3700kg, then again with air bags and tyres to 4090kg.


Mike.

 

[Verteuil Man]

Yes there should definitely be a sticker in the garage regarding payload. Mine is 350kg.
I was told to ignore the weights on the Fiat plate as that is what a Fiat chassis would be capable of. My chassis is Alko so they set the weight.

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[Minxy]

Hi " Van Weight Engineering " will get you 2240KG on the back fairly easily as a paper exercise uplift. Worst case, you'll need some air bags, however on the positive side, they make for much better handling vehicle when compared to the standard static bump stops.
I had ours done twice, once to 3700kg, then again with air bags and tyres to 4090kg.
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Mike.

When we wanted to increase our rear Alko axle from 2000kg to 2240kg SVTech would only do so once we had rear air fitted at a cost of £2,000.

 

[BouncyBoatFolk]

When we wanted to increase our rear Alko axle from 2000kg to 2240kg SVTech would only do so once we had rear air fitted at a cost of £2,000.

Ouch, cheap seats here, £250.00 self fitted. No gauges, linked schraders via TPM system, one adjuster for each side. Set to 3 bar, 42psi-ish
mike.

 

[Minxy]

Ouch, cheap seats here, £250.00 self fitted. No gauges, linked schraders via TPM system, one adjuster for each side. Set to 3 bar, 42psi-ish
mike.

Unfortunately there are no cheap seats when it comes to Alko chassis.

 

[BouncyBoatFolk]

Is the OP on an AL-KO chassis? There was no AL-KO weight plate photo of it in the earlier post. That would need establishing for any usable advice to be given.
Mike.

 

[Reallyretired]

To avoid multiple weighbridge visits my simple method is to put all the crap I take away with me in the mh, then weigh it, and if you're under on the total weight and axle weights you're good to go. Its a bit academic what the unladen weight is as it would never normally be unladen.

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[GeoffandPam]

My revenue weight is 4T, I assume this is my max weight.
On my vin plate as pictured is info and also as pictured on outside of cab door.
What I'm trying to find is how much can I carry on board and in garage.
What is my unladen weight.
I'm a newbie trying to understand.
I have a bursner solano t710

Don't forget to check your driving license to see which categories you are allowed to drive.

 

[Speve]

Don't forget to check your driving license to see which categories you are allowed to drive.

Bit late for that I think he’s already got a PHGV motorhomeif he’s not got the C1 then it’s a test or buy something lighter?

 

[GeoffandPam]

Bit late for that I think he’s already got a PHGV motorhomeif he’s not got the C1 then it’s a test or buy something lighter?

Just making sure he is aware that there is a bit more to it than just the weight of the vehicle.

 

[Platelet]

Just an observation from a novice who is converting a Land Rover 130. You say that the converters plate supersedes the factory plate, if the unit is still on the factory chassis, why does it have a reduced train weight?

 

[62272]

To avoid multiple weighbridge visits my simple method is to put all the crap I take away with me in the mh, then weigh it, and if you're under on the total weight and axle weights you're good to go. Its a bit academic what the unladen weight is as it would never normally be unladen.

Only slight issue with this method is the distribution of the load. A lot of motorhomes (like ours) have most of the storage lockers, garages etc.. towards the rear, or beyond the rear axle, therefore when you load it, even if you are well under your gross vehicle weight (MAM) in terms of the combined weight of all your items, you may well exceed your rear axle weight, which will cause problems with steering, traction and handling characteristics (apart from being illegal).

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[62272]

Just an observation from a novice who is converting a Land Rover 130. You say that the converters plate supersedes the factory plate, if the unit is still on the factory chassis, why does it have a reduced train weight?

You’d have to ask the convertor, there was clearly some logic behind it (you’d hope!).

 

[Ian Morley-Smith]

Ouch, cheap seats here, £250.00 self fitted. No gauges, linked schraders via TPM system, one adjuster for each side. Set to 3 bar, 42psi-ish
mike.

Hi Mike where did you purchase these from?

 

[BouncyBoatFolk]

Hi Mike where did you purchase these from?

Hi, I sourced mine from here,

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They may be a bit dearer now.
I didn't fit the gauge, but did order an extra schrader valve. This then let me have control over each air bag separately.
They were mounted on a ledge in the garage area. I cut the back out of a whiska box to protect them, and hide them away.
The 5-6 caps on top are linked to my cheapo TPMS system on the tyres, so I can monitor the pressures individually, and the temperature.
They take a bit of fiddling to set the parameters, but once set work a treat. The monitor is solar powered and just sits on the dash board.

Taking my time, to make sure I got it right it took about a day.
Mike.

 

[62272]

Hi, I sourced mine from here,

Air Suspension Kit For Fiat Ducato 1994-2024 - 5000 KG | eBay

Upgrade your driving experience with ourSemi Air Suspension Kit designed specifically forFiat Ducato, Citroen Relay, and Peugeot Boxer models from 1994 to 2024. This kit will improve your driving experience and will provide you with extra comfort.

www.ebay.co.uk

They may be a bit dearer now.
I didn't fit the gauge, but did order an extra schrader valve. This then let me have control over each air bag separately.
They were mounted on a ledge in the garage area. I cut the back out of a whiska box to protect them, and hide them away.
The 5-6 caps on top are linked to my cheapo TPMS system on the tyres, so I can monitor the pressures individually, and the temperature.
They take a bit of fiddling to set the parameters, but once set work a treat. The monitor is solar powered and just sits on the dash board.
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Taking my time, to make sure I got it right it took about a day.
Mike.

Interesting…. What difference does it make to the ride/handling, also does a dead load on the driveway for months on end have any adverse effect?

Is it a lot more weight than the springs?

Chas

 

[cmcardle75]

Just an observation from a novice who is converting a Land Rover 130. You say that the converters plate supersedes the factory plate, if the unit is still on the factory chassis, why does it have a reduced train weight?

This will be because they modified/replaced the rear structure of the vehicle and their replacement structure can only withstand the loads they've certified.