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May 17, 2015
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Hi all have a 1987 fiat ducato 1.3T
Used to rev it a few times whilst it was standing on drive whilst restoring it even got a not in it with one advisory not bad for an old girl anyways just my luck now I want it motd won't start no spark at plugs first mechanic waste of time cost 75 to get him out I think he guest was ignition module OK I thought given home benefit of the doubt still nothing second one seemed a bit better but thought would get more than maybe its this or that as he was an auto electrician
Right now I'm desperate and pulling my hair out if I sell now will loose loads as no mot and none runner as I have parked next to it a ford mk3 motorhome been waiting to come on one of these rallies for 3 years now lol the fords ready but needs a few nigles sorting but no room as two homes on drive its a squeeze open front door and I have a
motorhome in my face
Please please any one out there open to suggestions will check what you ask and get back to you each time or if anyone who is good with carb engines who could look at it for me I would pay them no problem at NY Whits end now and desperate to enjoy the ford
Many thanks for reading my thread
 

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DBK

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I'm not sure what help you want. If the first person who came out thought it was the ignition module, which seems a sensible guess, why not try and find a second hand one and replace it? It may not cure the problem but it would eliminate one possibility.
The other option would be to see if anyone could test the module. Have a search online.
 
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Not really very moral, but you could join aa with home start, wait a week and call them out.
Obviously as a law abiding person I could not recommend this course of action.

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Carol

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Hi Sily-Phily, sorry can't help with the problem, but be aware that you only get 5 free posts then you need to join £15 a year but you can post as often as you like ask any questions etc, hope you can get sorted out and :welco:
 

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It shouldn't be hard to do a few basic checks...
Firstly to see that you are getling fuel through... you will see the plugs are damp... next check for a spark at the plugs by grounding the ht leads as you crank... if your not then the coil packs as suggested would be a good place to star
Andy.

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Vanman

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Wouldn't hurt to check the voltage at the battery ... and the earth is clean.
 
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this could be a very basic coil pack issue or even just a earth fault on the low voltage side .
if not it could be the ignition modal start from the coil pack and work back to the ignition switch the distributer could be the problem check for evidence of cracks of dampness it's winter and thing get damp and short out try to dry every thing out if there is condensation
that would stop it starting
bill
 
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Make sure there is no secret isolation switch you forgot about.

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Hia thanks its a 2 ltr petrol engine
From what I remember took off front grill which has the coil on it think wired coil wrong started it up pushed in choke its stopped the got it going a few times only for seconds then not at all got wiring diagram wired coil as per diagram but still no spark but get week light on tester from coil but no starting up

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change the coil and change the condenser capasitator in the distributer check the distributer for cracks damp
bill
 

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As John Cross said hopefully @Geo may be along and point you in the right direction., (y)

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Thanks have changed coil and ignition modulator but will now turn my attention to the capasitator thanks found an ad today for dizzy unit refurbs may give that a go
Thank you for all your replies
Going to sound silly now but Where in the dizzy is the capasitator
 

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I would be interested if either of the so called technicians got a metre out and checked anything or did they just poke around and guess ?
If it is a points system, a deaf and dumb bloater with a wonky arm should be able tomsortmout a no spark I three minutes flat even if it is only a temp fix to check everything else is ok and get it started..
To help, if it has got points, there will be a flexible wire from the auto advance plate to the body of the distributor .. Seen that fail a fair few times over the years.
Refurbing the distributor will do nowt unless the bearings are so worn the points are not opening due to the spindle moving so much
 

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got it going a few times only for second

If it started then it's unlikely the ignition.
Starting then stopping within a few seconds points to fuel starvation.
If its been stood for some time I would suggest a carburettor strip and clean out....after checking for a good fuel delivery with NEW fuel.
petrol can go 'stale' after a while and can cause all kinds of starting problems as it doesn't burn properly...If at all.
I put a tiny amount of old petrol in a saucer and put a match to it....it put the match out.
 
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Yes jaws poked around whither a tester but took nothing off apart from one plug opened up cap to look at the pin inside said could be this have no means to test it could be that but no means of testing it
The first guy and don't laugh to hard put is tester on the live and on the body to get an earth his tester lit up and said omg mate I asked what's wrong he replied your body is live lmao
Also asked me if I had charged battery backwards

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Thanks have changed coil and ignition modulator but will now turn my attention to the capasitator thanks found an ad today for dizzy unit refurbs may give that a go
Thank you for all your replies
Going to sound silly now but Where in the dizzy is the capasitator
It just a small silver round thing the condenser with one wire coming off of you will have to remove the distributer cap it check that the wire hasn't broken or shorted out a dead short on that would stop it running have you tried to start it agene it might fire up then stop agene that could be a good indicator of the condenser braking down once warmed up
forget this electronic ignition no condenser :getmecoat:
bill
 
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Removed petrol pipe lots of fuel pumping through maybe could be stail will put some in the top of new fuel took off carb to stripped cleaned it operated and squirts fuel out
Think will give all these suggestions a try and hopefully get somewhere
 

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Electronic ign doesn't have a capacitor/condensor....
The capacitors job is to absorb the spark at the points, as they open, to stop them burning.
Electronic ign doesn't spark at the distributor as there are no points to open.

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Thanks bill will take a look won't start atm though has not fired for weeks after the first two times get nothing now I did do all usual checks and changed a few things so will pay attention to fuel and the distributor
 
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If it has a spark (take a lead off and use another plug laid on metal, turn over to check for spark) then my money is on fuel problem, pump/old petrol/ lack of choke/blocked jets.
Give someone like @Jaws 10 minutes and he would diagnose and have that baby running.
He would bring his own specialist tools, that's right, 1 small screwdriver and 1 medium screwdriver.
 

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