Help 12v socket.

[movan]

Can someone advise please.

Am not on hook up. My 12 v socket for which I charge my phone, gates VERY hot after several minutes, and starts pinging.

(Don't know if it's relevant but it's European with adaptor).

I tried another phone charger wire and it's the same, so the problem is the 12v socket.

I am too wary now to put grandaughter's tablet or my dvd player into it. Help. Can I sort it? Is it a big expense?

Also, out of interest, is the 12v set up to sockets likely to affect the ignition switch please?

 

[cmcardle75]

It will be a simple fix if you can find a replacement socket of exactly the same type. A picture would help.

 

[Richard n Ann]

The socket must have a bad or loose connection, look inside for any rust or dirt. If there's any pins bend them so they're tighter

 

[movan]

It will be a simple fix if you can find a replacement socket of exactly the same type. A picture would help.

 

[Phill D]

I agree heat in usually caused by resistance so loose connection or dirty contacts is the likely cause.

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[autorouter]

If anything charging a phone is getting very hot, there's a definite problem. A phone charger is only 10 or 20 watts. I'm not sure what you mean by European with adaptor.

Is it one of those 'Hella' sockets, smaller than a standard cigarette-lighter socket? Is the adapter a wire converting it to a cigarette-lighter socket? Is the USB bit an adapter that plugs in? And which bit is getting hot?

Edit: just seen the picture, it looks like a Hella socket. Do you have any other Hella sockets that you could try the adapter, so we can be sure where the problem is? If it's a socket problem, it's quite likely to be some wire that's worked loose. Taking the socket out and re-doing the connections might fix it.

 

[autorouter]

The socket looks like a standard CBE type, widely available. To remove it, prise off the silver square trim, using something that won't make marks. I use a small wallpaper scraper, but an ordinary table knife will probably be OK. Small screwdrivers tend to make marks, so avoid those.

When the trim is removed, you will see four screws. remove these and the socket comes out.

 

[mitzimad]

joy have you tried plugging it in to the other hella socket by the television?if it gets hot in that socket its the adaptor

 

[mitzimad]

to remove the hella socket the silver cover just pops of using a flat knife then there are a couple of screws in the plate below

 

[movan]

joy have you tried plugging it in to the other hella socket by the television?if it gets hot in that socket its the adaptor

I tried a different adapter and that got hot too.

If I remove it, remove the screws, and see a loose wire, is there any chance I could get electrocuted trying to screw the wire in?

I will try the. TV socket in the cupboard.. Good idea. Because I don't have tv with me, I forgot I had a socket in there. . I NEED NEED NEED a 12v socket as moving riund with little un if I had no tablet charger life could be Hell, sadly.

(the reason I asked about starter motir is that I have an intermittent fault where the ignition key does NOTHING not even a click. Another fu ster has had the same problem for months and because it is intermittent the garage cannot find the problem).

As usual, THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR YOUR HELP. My afternoon will be spent fixing a loose wire or...

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[Phill D]

12v will not give you any sort of shock. But it could blow a fuse if you have a loose connection.
So to avoid any fuses going you could just switch off the 12v hab electrics at your panel before removing it and checking for loose wires.

 

[Richard n Ann]

Look at the plug and socket first, no need to dismantle anything yet. Is it a loose fit in the socket?

 

[pappajohn]

You won't get a shock Joy.
If you have ANOTHER 12v SOCKET try the adaptor in that. If it gets hot it's a faulty adaptor, if it doesn't get hot it's the first socket with a fault

 

[cmcardle75]

If I remove it, remove the screws, and see a loose wire, is there any chance I could get electrocuted trying to screw the wire in?

12V is too low a voltage for any sort of electrocution. However, a short circuit might result in a big spark and a blown fuse, unless you're unlucky and the fuse doesn't work.

The heating will be caused by a poor connection. It can often be fixed by thoroughly cleaning the contacts before reassembly, ensuring there is plenty of tension on any contacts and a quick spray of contact cleaner lubricant.

 

[mitzimad]

weve got one just inside the hab door joy as well as the one in the roundy cupboard

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[movan]

I only have one over cooker hob and two in the roundy cupboard. If my numbers come up, I could eally do with an extra over table seats.

RIGHT. Just so I have given you all complete picture before I start.... I'll try cleaning all 'contact' bits first, the following pictures show what is happening.

It is still happening in the different socket, (roundycupboard), as follows..

The end which goes into charge gets mad hot.

I have TWO of these adaptors. On BOTH of them the bit that goes into the socket (round red mark) stays cool. On BOTH OF THEM he rest is mad hot (inc plastic).

Back in moment with another photo. X

 

[movan]

These are the two bits, I tried both of them, that vo into the adapter bit. Both of them got REALLY hot all over.

Thank you again. Sorry to be a pain. X

 

[Phill D]

I every thing you plug in gets hot then it has to be an issue with its connection to the socket.
Is the inside of the socket corroded or flaking bits of chrome.

 

[two]

When things like this get hot, it's usually a poor connection.
I think it most likely to be the way that the push-fit plug makes contact within the socket, rather than with the wires behind the socket.
A new socket may be the simplest answer (all those options will be changed) else try to make sure that the plug is making better contact within the socket. Squeeze the brass cylinder in a bit, so that the sprung nipple at the end of the plug makes firm contact at the end.

Just seen your recent post, above...

I'd avoid adaptors altogether, if at all possible. There will be too many connections to provide faulty contact.
Get the socket changed to suit your plug or change the plug to suit the socket.

 

[Phill D]

PS, have you tried all the plug ins in a different so let.

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[movan]

PS, have you tried all the plug ins in a different so let.

Yes they work in the other sockets (i. E. Dashboard is the only ordinary, other, socket that doesnn't need an adaptor).

 

[cmcardle75]

I'd change your Hella sockets to cig lighter types. Fewer connections to get hot. Fewer components to fail.

 

[Phill D]

Yes they work in the other sockets (i. E. Dashboard is the only ordinary socket that doesnn't need an adaptor).

So the problem appears to be the connection between the plug ins and that particular socket. There must be poor contact between the surfaces of the socket and the plug in.
You will need to replace it at some stage as its probably just deterioration with age.
For now try pushing the plug in and turning it back an fro to get a better contact.

May work for now.

 

[stevewagner]

I've changed some of my 12volt sockets to USB type

 

[Silver-Fox]

I've changed some of my 12volt sockets to USB type

Thats what I’d do or even put extra USB’s in

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[movan]

Thought I'd put this question which is bound to be a daft one, here rather than a new thread.

If I disconnect the 12v to put different sockets in, do I have to disconnect the solar first?

 

[Phill D]

Joy you don't need to disconnect anything, just switch of the power to the habitation area

 

[autorouter]

No, you just have to cut off the feed to the wire you are playing with. The main 12V habitation switch should do that. As an alternative you could pull the 12V fuse that supplies that socket.

If you don't do that, and accidentally touch the two bare wires together, there'll be a bit of a spark and the fuse will blow. If that happens you'll need to put in a new fuse. So better to pull out the fuse before you start, then you can just put it back when you're done.

 

[Swifter]

if you need power for charging the iPad then you could get a little power bank as a temporary solution to keep it charged up .

 

[pappajohn]

As TWO said, ditch the adaptors and fit, or get someone to fit, plugs suitable for the sockets.
You need HELLA/DIN plugs.
Far superior and so much more reliable than cigar lighter sockets.
They will fit directly in the existing holes.
The one with the bendy middle is making three joints with three times the chance of a failure instead of just one joint with the proper plug.

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