Headlights on Flair 7000i (Neismann) (1 Viewer)

Jpmoore

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Apparently our 2007 Flair 700i motorhome has failed its MOT due to the Bi - Xenon Headlights not working as they should - i.e. the lever mechanism to switch from left to right hand drive to comply with UK regs. is basically irreparable and so requires a whole new fitment, not just the lever bit.
Apart from it having sailed through its Seven previous MOTs we are now told we need two new headlights...at a cost of, wait for it...£1200 + labour EACH!!! Are we being conned or can this be true? Iveco repairers (North) believe they are necessary and the Neisman dealers (Midlands) are willing to look independently for themselves ...so, just wondered if any of you had any helpful comments to add on this topic? The Halford headlight stick ons just won’t cut it I’m afraid!
 
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Hi & welcome to Motorhome’fun’ 🤓🚍

I take it there is no chance of repair?
can you post some pics, it may help when the knowledgable ones see your post
 
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Thanks for the welcome! 👍😊...here’s a picture of the headlamp which is of the whole unit, with the defunct lever in the upper and inner left hand side when viewing it...

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Here’s the headlamp...In case anybody is technically minded and recognises it?! It’s basically a broken lever in top left (inner) side.
 
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Here’s the headlamp...In case anybody is technically minded and recognises it?! It’s basically a broken lever in top left (inner) side.
 

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I know they have recently toughened up the MOT rules concerning high intensity headlamps. Problems with extra bright lights dazzling oncoming vehicles.

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I assume you press a switch that causes a motor to push the lights from pointing one way to the other? And the broken lever is the bit that gets pushed by the motor?
I understand that Xenon lights always required an element of auto-dipping also. Also done with motors.
 

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The bottom left of your picture looks like a motor, the grey top with the socket.
Was the lever operated by that?
 
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I assume you press a switch that causes a motor to push the lights from pointing one way to the other? And the broken lever is the bit that gets pushed by the motor?
I understand that Xenon lights always required an element of auto-dipping also. Also done with motors.
I think there are also some new rules requiring headlamp washers because dirty lenses can cause dazzle.

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Hi & welcome . Anything is repairable with a bit of thought.
Additionally if it is stuck on UK rhd set up ,what is the problem ? If stuck on lhd set up the beam would be flat & acceptable for a UK mot test ?
There is no requirement that states the levers have to be there?
 
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Hi & welcome . Anything is repairable with a bit of thought.
Additionally if it is stuck on UK rhd set up ,what is the problem ? If stuck on lhd set up the beam would be flat & acceptable for a UK mot test ?
There is no requirement that states the levers have to be there?
Try ringing another test station and ask if lights set to Uk position/pass/no pass?

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Just done a bit of internet trawling on HID (High Intensity Discharge) headlights and MOTs. It would seem that they have to be self levelling, which is presumably what that motor does via the broken lever. If so then it is not just a matter of flicking the setting from left hand drive to right hand drive. I await correction on this interpretation.
 

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Just done a bit of internet trawling on HID (High Intensity Discharge) headlights and MOTs. It would seem that they have to be self levelling, which is presumably what that motor does via the broken lever. If so then it is not just a matter of flicking the setting from left hand drive to right hand drive. I await correction on this interpretation.
I think you are right but the OP's van may well have self levelling air suspension which may negate the requirement for levelling in the light unit.
 

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The MOT test has always been a bit perverse in that "if fitted" any testable item needs to function in compliance with the test. Removing the item and submitting for retest would in those circumstances would give a pass for the tester, as nothing to test.

The MOT is getting tougher, but I don't know if this lever is part of the test and that removal would allow compliance? do any of our resident testers know? Geo ?

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I used these people when I fitted new main beam units to our Flair 8000i,

 

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Hi Jpmoore

Don't know which lever you say is broken but is it anything to do with this,

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Bearing in mind that Niesmann are Hymer group.

Just to add I am a bit confused as the OP say to change from LH to RH dipping, this would be a manual operation rather than by the motor in the photograph which is for manually levelling the light from inside the cab or automatic levelling, I don't think it will have automatic levelling in the lights as nearly all Flairs have levelling on the rear axle suspension so not needed in both places and according to my reading not required for MOT as long as the suspension is doing the levelling.
 
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As CazPaul says take it to a lesser MOT centre.
The MOT fail will have been logged on the Government system before the vehicle was picked up. I would be surprised if a second tester was prepared to change an earlier fail if the fault has not been rectified. The online system of MOT testing doesn’t seem to leave much wriggle room, I think the tester logs on at the start of the test and the results are fed in during the test.

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