Have I been conned (1 Viewer)

Feb 24, 2013
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Hello, I have just spent a load of my money on what was listed as a 59 plate motorhome. I now know it was built in 2007, but not registered till 09. It was a private sale and is in really good condition having had virtually no use at all. It is a Hymer S800, how much do you think it is worth, I will confess later how much i have paid, how common is it for MH's to be built but not registered in the same year? I feel really cheated but do no know what to do, I hope the price I paid is going to be right for an 07 MH, if not I might need to take advice, I am guessing it could make a good few £000's difference. David
 

Xabia

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Well Brownhills were selling lots of vehicles which had been standing around for a couple of years before being registered and sold so I imagine that this could be happening quite a lot.

It all depends on what you paid really. Have you tried to Google the list price of the vehicle in 2007 compared with what you paid, taking into account normal depreciation?

Mike
 
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Our MH was built in 2011 but not registered until we bought it (from a dealer) in 2012. It was substantialy reduced, so we think we got a fair deal at around 24% off the new price.

I'm not telling either. :winky:

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Peter JohnsCross MH

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For valuation purposes, the date of first registration is what counts unless there was a model change, if the Hymer is on a Fiat, that is unlikely.

It is not uncommon for a chassis/cab to sit around for a time in a compound before it is delivered to a converter and then to a dealer.

Chassis/cab built late 2007 and registered converted early 2009 is only about 15 months start to finish

Peter
 

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As already been said it is commom and it's the date it is registered that all warranties etc start from.The main thing you have to watch out for is changes to the interior furniture, fitting and soft covering :thumb: I know one dealers that actually knew all the covering used on any particular year on the vans he sold :Eeek: He often would reduce his px offer saying that it was a 2004 van that was reg as a 2005 knowing that they had probably got quite a large discount when bought new :winky:
About 4 yrs ago I was offered a coachbuilt part built mk 3 tranny(smily faced ) that was still unregistered---effectively new but around 6/7 yrs old :Eeek:Tranny changed from that shape in I think 2001 :Eeek:
Terry

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For valuation purposes, the date of first registration is what counts unless there was a model change, if the Hymer is on a Fiat, that is unlikely.

[HI]It is not uncommon for a chassis/cab to sit around for a time[/HI] in a compound before it is delivered to a converter and then to a dealer.

Chassis/cab built late 2007 and registered converted early 2009 is only about 15 months start to finish

Peter

Totally agree with you Peter, this is far more serious when dealing with cars. I recall one Sunbeam Rapier that was first registered in 1970 and yet the build date was 26 months earlier.

Less of a problem with Motor Homes and Boats. Lets face it your vehicle is DOR 2009, the fact that it was first built as a chassis cab in 2007 is immaterial unless there was a major model change; don't worry about it.
:thumb:
 
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DavidG58
Feb 24, 2013
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Well Brownhills were selling lots of vehicles which had been standing around for a couple of years before being registered and sold so I imagine that this could be happening quite a lot.

It all depends on what you paid really. Have you tried to Google the list price of the vehicle in 2007 compared with what you paid, taking into account normal depreciation?

Mike

This was originally from Brownhills, I have been told that quite a few top end MH's went unregistered / unsold at the start of the recession in 08. I will declare a purchase price later, but wanted to get an opinion on value first
 
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DavidG58
Feb 24, 2013
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Many thanks, I have found similar listings, but struggle to find when they were listed, so we might be looking at an 07 van for sale in 09 for instance, I am slighty consoled by your estimated purchase price as we paid less than this, I will give away my purchae price later when i have more 'opinions'

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This was originally from Brownhills, I have been told that quite a few top end MH's went unregistered / unsold at the start of the recession in 08. I will declare a purchase price later, but wanted to get an opinion on value first

If its come from brown hills then I would take it to some one and have a damp test done on it
 
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DavidG58
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For valuation purposes, the date of first registration is what counts unless there was a model change, if the Hymer is on a Fiat, that is unlikely.

It is not uncommon for a chassis/cab to sit around for a time in a compound before it is delivered to a converter and then to a dealer.

Chassis/cab built late 2007 and registered converted early 2009 is only about 15 months start to finish

Peter

Thanks Peter, this is a Mercedes auto and I can not easily see much change from 2007 to 2011 apart from some cosmetic things, ours has a build finish certificate from Hymer dated March 07, but was not registered until Sept 09, so 30 months apart.
 

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It can't all be new on the day you collect it from the dealer!

If you want a real scare, your tyres and batteries are probably 2005/6:roflmto:

Eddie

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DavidG58
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It can't all be new on the day you collect it from the dealer!

If you want a real scare, your tyres and batteries are probably 2005/6:roflmto:

Eddie

I see your point Eddie, but see other replies of mine, this was finished in Germany ion March 07, not registered until September 09. and new batteries already ordered!! David
 
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DavidG58
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Totally agree with you Peter, this is far more serious when dealing with cars. I recall one Sunbeam Rapier that was first registered in 1970 and yet the build date was 26 months earlier.

Less of a problem with Motor Homes and Boats. Lets face it your vehicle is DOR 2009, the fact that it was first built as a chassis cab in 2007 is immaterial unless there was a major model change; don't worry about it. :thumb:

Thanks for the reassurance, I think I am still in shock at spending the price of a house on a Mercedes van with a caravan bolted on!! :Smile:
 
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After having a google about I agree with Chrisgreen.
Seems to be somewhere between 77 and 81,000.

These are dealer prices

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JeanLuc

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The expected dealer price for this model and year seems to be around £80k. As you bought it privately, I think you will have done OK if you got it for around £70k. When new, the S class were well over £100k from memory at around that time. The only slight issue that might 'rain on your parade' is that Sprinters switched from Euro IV to Euro V standard engines in July 2009. However, to have bought a 59 registered vehicle new, it is more likely than not that it would have been built in the first half of 2009 anyway, so would not have had the latest engine.
As others have said, Brownhills had a lot of unregistered stock at that time. When we were looking for ours at the beginning of 2007, Brownhills in Cannock (now defunct) were very keen to sell 'new' Hymers of the previous A-class design (with the twin headlights); a series that finished production with the 2005 model year.
If the van is sound, well cared for and was bought at a price you think is fair - just enjoy it. They were well built, highly desirable and many people would love to have an S800. Spares are easy to get (but not cheap): nearest to you would be Lowdhams in Nottingham or Travelworld in Telford. But remember other specialists that I mentioned in answering your previous post. Just be aware that the annual damp check has to be carried out by an authorised dealer to get the 6-year Hymer warranty.

Good luck.
 
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I saw an unregistered Hymer at the weekend in a showroom that is a 2009 build, not that uncommon.
Only minor Hymer changes gave clues to it's age until you had a good look. Nothing wrong with it and at the right price, I might be tempted, but it was at current pricing!

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DavidG58
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Thanks JeanLuc, as previously very helpful, I am more relaxed about it all now, I paid £68K, which now seems about right, maybe not the bargain i thought I had got but it is one hell of a MH. Even though I did set out to buy one with an island bed, maybe next time!! David
 

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Hello, I have just spent a load of my money on what was listed as a 59 plate motorhome. I now know it was built in 2007, but not registered till 09. It was a private sale and is in really good condition having had virtually no use at all. It is a Hymer S800, how much do you think it is worth, I will confess later how much i have paid, how common is it for MH's to be built but not registered in the same year? I feel really cheated but do no know what to do, I hope the price I paid is going to be right for an 07 MH, if not I might need to take advice, I am guessing it could make a good few £000's difference. David

You haven't been conned...it was sold as a 59 plate vehicle and the vehicle had a 59 plate on it :Smile:

You shouldn't feel cheated either, the seller didn't say it was built in '09...you assumed it.

Sorry to say but more your mistake than anyone else's :Cool:

You went to see the vehicle, liked it, bought it sold as seen. You obviously thought it was worth what you paid so just enjoy it.

Re-sale values don't matter until you come to sell it...unless you already do? :Eeek::ROFLMAO:

Bryan
 

JeanLuc

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Just one word of caution. Take care of the headlights: they are custom-made units from Hella that can only be bought from Hymer. And they cost well over £1,000 each! With recent trends in the sterling exchange rate, I would not be surprised if they were nearer to £1,500 by now. If you search for this topic it has been aired before by owners of more recent Hymer B-class vans.
I don't know if any protectors are available for the 2007-9 S-class; I know they are not for my earlier (and much cheaper) twin headlight units (2003). So, I have covered each lamp glass with Lamin-X. This is the clear film used by track racers, which, I hope, will give some protection from smaller flying stones. http://www.lamin-x.co.uk/

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Hi, fantastic motorhome at an excellent price, have a look for confirmation.



Well done sit back and enjoy.:thumb:
 
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Totally agree with you Peter, this is far more serious when dealing with cars. I recall one Sunbeam Rapier that was first registered in 1970 and yet the build date was 26 months earlier.

Less of a problem with Motor Homes and Boats. Lets face it your vehicle is DOR 2009, the fact that it was first built as a chassis cab in 2007 is immaterial unless there was a major model change; don't worry about it.
:thumb:

Having served an apprenticeship in a Rootes Group garage I'm amazed the Rapier hadnt rusted away after 26 months:Doh:
 
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Hi, fantastic motorhome at an excellent price, have a look for confirmation.



Well done sit back and enjoy.:thumb:[/QUO

Good find by you, it is our new MH, but this must have been an earlier listing, he was down to £69995 by the time we saw it. It does look a million dollars, and I am now much more comfortable with the actual age / value. David

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I wouldn't have a problem with a chassis sitting around for a while until someone popped on the habitation. Its the registered date that counts (if there has not been a model or spec change)

What does peeve is that we're told to replace the tyres after six (ish) years. If the tyres sat in a warehouse before the were put on the cab you might only have three or four years left :cry:
 
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DavidG58
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I wouldn't have a problem with a chassis sitting around for a while until someone popped on the habitation. Its the registered date that counts (if there has not been a model or spec change)

What does peeve is that we're told to replace the tyres after six (ish) years. If the tyres sat in a warehouse before the were put on the cab you might only have three or four years left :cry:

I was not worried about the tyres before today, but you are not the frist to mention this, my concern was not so much that the chassis had sat around, but that the habitation had also been completed 30 months before registration, I actually have no idea when the chassis was made. David

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personally i wouldnt worry too much about the tyres but its easy to determine manufacture month and year.
on yours there will be a four digit code on at least one sidewall of each tyre in its own moulded box....so the same mould can be used in different months an years by changing the date plate.

the first two digits are the month and the second two are the year....ie: 1009 = Oct 2009....0107 =Jan 2007 etc.

pre 2000 year there was only three numbers......059 could be April 1979/89/99

the tyres main enemy is UV rays which degrade the tyres fabric.

usually the first signs of UV damage are sidewalls and between tread gaps cracking and splitting.

if it been stood in a compound for two years the chances are it wasnt alone...stored in close formation with many other vans.

unlikely the suns rays would find a way to the tyres in a major way due to shade/shadow from the other vans
 
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Hi, fantastic motorhome at an excellent price, have a look for confirmation.



Well done sit back and enjoy.:thumb:[/QUO

Good find by you, it is our new MH, but this must have been an earlier listing, he was down to £69995 by the time we saw it. It does look a million dollars, and I am now much more comfortable with the actual age / value. David

A regular Sherlock Holmes, that`s us...:thumb:
 

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Hi, fantastic motorhome at an excellent price, have a look for confirmation.



Well done sit back and enjoy.:thumb:[/QUO

Good find by you, it is our new MH, but this must have been an earlier listing, he was down to £69995 by the time we saw it. It does look a million dollars, and I am now much more comfortable with the actual age / value. David

Great looking piece of kit - enjoy !

Regrettably, at 27ft it wouldn't fit on our drive, so I am still hunting for our more modest 24ft max first mh !

Very jealous !

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