Have Ducato gears got higher? (1 Viewer)

[Dorwyn]

Mine's Euro 5 Fiat pvc, I find I hardly ever use 5th, go straight into 6th mostly, once up to cruising speed. Occasionally go down to 5th if I need to accellerate on a hill. Likewise, usually start in 2nd if not on a slope, fisrt only if on upward slope. Driving style?

 

[Jonno1103]

Bi

But does the euro 6 fiat not require ad blue?

Not all, as Lenny says pre 2019 Fiat opted for additive free emission regulation using LPEGR & SCR. Low Pressure Exhaust Gas Recirculation omits the need for AdBlue but it's more expensive to fabricate which is why it was dropped for their Sofim built Euro6D Final range of engines also found in Fiat Industrial Group's Iveco. PSA did their own thing from 2017 ending their Ford partnership hence the new BlueHDi & Ford binned their Duratec Puma and launched the Ecoblue Panther.

From May 2021 Ford have increased their Ecoblue FWD engine range in Europe adding the 160ps. Previously this was only available with RWD and a 10 speed Auto over here but was the most popular choice of FWD engine in India, Australia & Japan... the marketplace I've been led to believe Bailey's Ford chassis' where sourced.

 

[Folkranger]

Mine's Euro 5 Fiat pvc, I find I hardly ever use 5th, go straight into 6th mostly, once up to cruising speed. Occasionally go down to 5th if I need to accellerate on a hill. Likewise, usually start in 2nd if not on a slope, fisrt only if on upward slope. Driving style?

As did I with my 2014 model.

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[Jamesh]

No scientific basis just an observation but going from a 2.2 (Ford engine) 5 speed box fiat badged adria twin to a 2.3 (fiat?) 6 speed adria PVC the need to change gear more frequently around gears 4,5 &6 is very noticeable.

I didn't think fiat used the puma engine?

I thought they were all 2.3 fiat engines.

Cheers James

 

[Jamesh]

Not all, as Lenny says pre 2019 Fiat opted for additive free emission regulation using LPEGR & SCR. Low Pressure Exhaust Gas Recirculation omits the need for AdBlue but it's more expensive to fabricate which is why it was dropped for their Sofim built Euro6D Final range of engines also found in Fiat Industrial Group's Iveco. PSA did their own thing from 2017 ending their Ford partnership hence the new BlueHDi & Ford binned their Duratec Puma and launched the Ecoblue Panther.

From May 2021 Ford have increased their Ecoblue FWD engine range in Europe adding the 160ps. Previously this was only available with RWD and a 10 speed Auto over here but was the most popular choice of FWD engine in India, Australia & Japan... the marketplace I've been led to believe Bailey's Ford chassis' where sourced.

Is the panther a better engine than the long-lived puma?

Mines a 2016 puma but with ad blue which was only on minibuses I believe?

 

[Jonno1103]

Is the panther a better engine than the long-lived puma?

Mines a 2016 puma but with ad blue which was only on minibuses I believe?

In terms of being slightly more fuel efficient & for true Euro 6 compliance yes, in terms of reliability they're as good as each other. The 6Temp classification was just that, temporary. None of the previous incarnations offered by Ford/PSA or Fiat industrial will meet the new standard in 4 years.

Ford & PSA needed a new engine as the Puma wouldn't make the grade to Euro 7 and as their partnership with the French was ending for diesels over 2.0L they decided to design their own... as did PSA.

The Ecoblue & the Blue HDi have been designed to meet the proposed Euro 7 standard which is pencilled in for 2025. This will also have an effect on Hybrids which invariably produce more CO2 than ICE.

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[Folkranger]

Well, that's it. The last van was 15" wheels against this one's 16". Probably the main reason for the higher gearing. Certainly makes me wish I'd stuck out a bit longer for an automatic, would have made driving this a whole lot easier.

 

[PMB]

I have a 2017 2.3 130bhp.
At 1700 rpm in 6th i am doing 46mph.
An average return is 37mpg on the long motorway runs.

 

[Folkranger]

I have a 2017 2.3 130bhp.
At 1700 rpm in 6th i am doing 46mph.
An average return is 37mpg on the long motorway runs.

That's odd. I've just measured mine and I get 1600rpmin 6th and return 27mpg on motorway.

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[PMB]

That's odd. I've just measured mine and I get 1600rpmin 6th and return 27mpg on motorway.

 

[Folkranger]

What speed do you drive at to get this?

 

[PMB]

Between 44 and 46 mph

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[Folkranger]

Maybe I should slow down a bit

 

[Speve]

If you want real mpg the best way is to brim the tank and record mileage it will come back at a much more accurate figure than your trip computer.

 

[gus-lopez]

Between 44 and 46 mph

On a motorway?

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[Folkranger]

If you want real mpg the best way is to brim the tank and record mileage it will come back at a much more accurate figure than your trip computer.

So what do you get?

 

[Speve]

So what do you get?

Around 25mpg whether towing the car trailer or not, and strangely enough on the two previous vans both had the 150 engines in we achieved around the same mileage per gallon on those. They have been and are all over 3500kg

 

[Landy Andy]

Tested my fuel consumption yesterday for the first time ever. Brimmed tank drove to parents, returned, brimmed tank. Driving at 70mph all the time possible got just over 25mpg. Happy with that.

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[Folkranger]

Just completed 800mile tour on terrible English roads. Averaged 25.5mpg (dashboard) and got 27 over 150 miles of motorway where I deliberately stuck to around 50mph. So how does anybody get 37mpg?

 

[Lenny HB]

Just completed 800mile tour on terrible English roads. Averaged 25.5mpg (dashboard) and got 27 over 150 miles of motorway where I deliberately stuck to around 50mph. So how does anybody get 37mpg?

Must be in the mind.
I get on around 24.5 - 25.5, strong head or crosswinds goes down to 22. I'm running 4200kg to 4300kg. My computer readout is around ½ mpg low i.e. 24.5 = 25.
Worth checking as so are known to be wildly out.

 

[Folkranger]

Must be in the mind.

See his dashboard photo above post #70

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[Lenny HB]

See his dashboard photo above post #70

Has he checked the accuracy some people have found them over reading by over 20%.

 

[Folkranger]

Has he checked the accuracy some people have found them over reading by over 20%.

Certainly looks unbelievable. Not that I doubt his word.