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[Astro]

Not correct. Vapour trails are just that, vapour from condensation. Planes' toilets get emptied at airports.

Yes, the vapour trails you see are just water but it's incorrect to say aeroplanes don't cause pollution.
What you don't see are the by-products from the combustion of aviation fuel ( kerosene ) which are the harmful emissions such as - oxides of nitrogen, sulphur dixoide, carbon monoxide, hydrocarbons.
Typically an aircraft will use 50000 kg of fuel to cross the Atlantic and will produce 60000kg of water vapour, 16000kg of Co2 and about 750kg of the other nasty stuff combined. That's a lot of crap out the back !

 

[Cheshirecat57]

Yes, the vapour trails you see are just water but it's incorrect to say aeroplanes don't cause pollution.
What you don't see are the by-products from the combustion of aviation fuel ( kerosene ) which are the harmful emissions such as - oxides of nitrogen, sulphur dixoide, carbon monoxide, hydrocarbons.
Typically an aircraft will use 50000 kg of fuel to cross the Atlantic and will produce 60000kg of water vapour, 16000kg of Co2 and about 750kg of the other nasty stuff combined. That's a lot of crap out the back !

Or about 40kg CO2 per person to Florida
A Smart car would produce about 500kg on the same trip!!!

 

[SpeedyDux]

Air travel is probably a major contributor to climate change. Yet many governments including the UK are encouraging its expansion and exempting it from environmental carbon taxes. The effect of contrails and other emissions from jet aircraft became apparent when for 3 days the USA became a no-fly zone after 9/11:

https://globalnews.ca/news/2934513/...ge-for-an-unlikely-climate-change-experiment/

Reducing or limiting non-essential civil air travel ought to be part of a rational global strategy to combat climate change. There is no political will to take that step. Instead, legislators keep attacking road transport.

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[Dare_Devil_Dennis]

Are we a bit off topic? Aircraft pollution, really? What about ships? or space travel?

As for the smart car to Florida, I would send my wife's by 'plane or ship. Surely it would sink if it tried to drive there?

Entertaining.

Dennis

 

[Cheshirecat57]

Sorry for getting sucked in, lets get back on topic

 

[Larrynwin]

Sorry for getting sucked in, lets get back on topic

Oh you are awful

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[Basildog]

Motorhome owners worried about environmental issues is actually probably nearly the funniest thing I've ever read

 

[Cheshirecat57]

Especially ones who used to have a V10 RV
( sucked in again)

 

[WildHorse]

Motor Caravans actually!!!!

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[Northernraider]

I was quite enjoying the diversion of topic cause quite frankly the grey water topic has been done to death and no one's opinions will ever change....those who think it's a big deal will continue to do so and those who don't will still not think so

 

[WildHorse]

We just spent 10 days on Dartmoor in a field, there was a compost loo and a field shower where you had to make a fire to heat the water.
The toilet waste went to nature and the shower run off fed the grass, it was a loo with a view over Dartmoor, could sit their for hours. Far better than our van facilities, kind of puts it in perspective. No chewing gum or fag butts, but plenty of cow shit and urine, cuckoo spit and insect activity.

 

[DanielFord]

My dog had a wee on the grass outside the pub, doubtless this would enter the water course! Does this constitute an offence?

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[movan]

We just spent 10 days on Dartmoor in a field, there was a compost loo and a field shower where you had to make a fire to heat the water.
The toilet waste went to nature and the shower run off fed the grass, it was a loo with a view over Dartmoor, could sit their for hours. Far better than our van facilities, kind of puts it in perspwould accept it ... they also had the best ective. No chewing gum or fag butts, but plenty of cow shit and urine, cuckoo spit and insect activity.

Been on weeks like that and they have a lot to teach us but doubt many would accept it .. they also had the best rubbish recyling system ever and THAT would not take very much for any site owner to adopt ...

As for mh owners .. I would gladly give mine up to save the world but only if everyone else did - or my small contribution would be pointless. . . . But we CAN all contribute a little bit by asking sites to give us recycling fascilities and being careful HOW we drive our vehicles, etc etc all the usual stuff ..

With Northernraider here ... thank God grey waste threads diverse.

 

[StitchesnFluff]

Recycle as you go, or save until you find somewhere

 

[movan]

Recycle as you go, or save until you find somewhere

That's my point .. we shouldn't struggle to find somewhere ... it's over 12 months since I stayed on a site, and I've been at several, where they had recycling facilities. .. After carrying bin bags full of plastic bottles, glass containers and magazines for weeks I've ended up putting them in regular waste on a site... Owners seem unaware of the environment issues ... but people will complain about soapy water going on the grass ...

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[movan]

 

[StitchesnFluff]

Recycle as you go, or save until you find somewhere

That's my point .. we shouldn't struggle to find somewhere ... it's over 12 months since I stayed on a site, and I've been at several, where they had recycling facilities. .. After carrying bin bags full of plastic bottles, glass containers and magazines for weeks I've ended up putting them in regular waste on a site... Owners seem unaware of the environment issues ... but people will complain about soapy water going on the grass ...

I totally agree. I also think that Motorhome owners are actually more environmentally aware than people give us credit for.

 

[movan]

Recycle as you go, or save until you find somewhere


I totally agree. I also think that Motorhome owners are actually more environmentally aware than people give us credit for.

Completely agree with you on that. In fact I do believe we are more aware normally...
We have to conserve drinking water, and shower water, we try not to build up too much rubbish and we don't waste our gas ....

In fact.. we are brilliant.

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[StitchesnFluff]

Completely agree with you on that. In fact I do believe we are more aware normally...
We have to conserve drinking water, and shower water, we try not to build up too much rubbish and we don't waste our gas ....

In fact.. we are brilliant.

Yep! We are. Despite the lack of facilities we always find away of disposing of stuff correctly & safely and manage to spend our hard earned cash in supermarkets, bars, rest and bakeries.

 

[chaser]

Yes, the vapour trails you see are just water but it's incorrect to say aeroplanes don't cause pollution.
What you don't see are the by-products from the combustion of aviation fuel ( kerosene ) which are the harmful emissions such as - oxides of nitrogen, sulphur dixoide, carbon monoxide, hydrocarbons.
Typically an aircraft will use 50000 kg of fuel to cross the Atlantic and will produce 60000kg of water vapour, 16000kg of Co2 and about 750kg of the other nasty stuff combined. That's a lot of crap out the back !

Can anyone explain in plain English how burning 50000 kg of fuel ends up produceing nearly 80000 kg of other stuff, how heavy is smoke, must be lighter than air as it goes up.
Must be a business opportunity for someone here just burn some paraffin and end up with more stuff than you started with.

 

[tonyidle]

Can anyone explain in plain English how burning 50000 kg of fuel ends up produceing nearly 80000 kg of other stuff, how heavy is smoke, must be lighter than air as it goes up.
Must be a business opportunity for someone here just burn some paraffin and end up with more stuff than you started with.

The answer is in the water vapour.

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[Richard n Ann]

Vapour has a mass but it doesn't have a weight. Both are measured in kg. Maybe that's it

There's no weight in space but items have the same mass as on earth?

 

[peterc10]

Vapour has a mass but it doesn't have a weight. Both are measured in kg. Maybe that's it

There's no weight in space but items have the same mass as on earth?

Weight is the force which gravity exerts on a mass. Mass is measured in Kg, weight is measured in Newtons

 

[tonyidle]

Vapour has a mass but it doesn't have a weight. Both are measured in kg. Maybe that's it

There's no weight in space but items have the same mass as on earth?

Try filling a ballon with liquid CO2 vapour. Gravity affects it like anything else. Everything is affected by the density of air and less dense items, like vapours / gases more so. On a set of scales in a vacuum a vapour has weight.

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[bernardfeay]

Wee in the kitchen sink? How dare you!

 

[tonyidle]

Wee in the kitchen sink? How dare you!

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[Dare_Devil_Dennis]

@chaser
Simples. The fuel when burned is oxidised that takes oxygen. It comes from the atmosphere as the engine sucks in huge quantities (your car does the same). The oxygen and other gasses like Nitrogen are also complexed and create the pollution that is referred to. These gasses actually have mass and their quantity can be described in Kg. So, fuel + atmosphere = total mass of pollutants.

Btw, smoke only rises. When it is less dense than air, usually when it is hot.

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