Greater manchester clean air zone.

[robmilton]

Hi all, i found out last night that a new clean air zone around the whole of Manchesters boundary will come into force in May next year and motorhomes are included, having looked into it and entered our registration number for us to travel through this zone in our motorhome it is going to cost us £60 per day !
i wanted you all to be aware as it has not been publiced.

 

[Riverbankannie]

Hi all, i found out last night that a new clean air zone around the whole of Manchesters boundary will come into force in May next year and motorhomes are included, having looked into it and entered our registration number for us to travel through this zone in our motorhome it is going to cost us £60 per day !
i wanted you all to be aware as it has not been publiced.

Hi and welcome to Fun. There have been many discussions on here about it and the other CAZ around the country, but thank you for coming on and reminding us.
Hope you stick with us and then you will find out about these things much earlier and lots of other helpful advice.

 

[Simon Meadwell]

No charge circumnavigating on the M 60 only charged inside this . So drive by and miss out Greater Manchester. Job done no charge. Its us poor buggers that live inside this massive area that will be penalised. £15 a day going on my invoices im not paying for it .

 

[2657]

No charge circumnavigating on the M 60 only charged inside this . So drive by and miss out Greater Manchester. Job done no charge. Its us poor buggers that live inside this massive area that will be penalised. £15 a day going on my invoices im not paying for it .

Not just inside the M60 but the whole of Greater Manchester including Wigan, Bolton,Rochdale & Littleborough that include many places of open country and moorland.
Other trunk roads are included in the exemption.

 

[airwave]

Personally , i think we are gonna be seeing more and more of these zones being established , both here and abroad , over the next few years . Those that live within them will have no choice , but to pay , but outsiders will avoid them . The result will be the slow agonizing death of the high street . No new visitors , will see more vacant shops , and as more begin to shut , even the locals will begin to avoid the town . I already avoid my local town centre , due to problems parking . The town contains mostly take aways (one whole street has them row upon row) , and charity shops anyway . The only supermarket is an expensive John Lewis brand , with the only free parking , limited of course . The parking is only set to get worst here , with the new houses being built . At last count 5300 locally (within a mile and a half) , allowing for the standard two car family that's an extra 10 and a half thousand cars , but then the average household has three cars now . I can see a time in a few years , when a clean air zone will appear even here , they have been trying to set one up in Oxford since London's started , and that's even with Oxford having the worst reputation for shopping . Myself , i've not being there for something like 30 years , despite it being only 14 miles away . I could to be found on the outskirts until quite recently , but even that has changed , the last time was 20 years ago . We are starting to see , a seismic shift in traditional habits , and this , i personally think , will cause either unemployment or reduced car ownership , most likely both . Not everyone can afford an electric car , many at school now , may never own a car . So you have to ask the question , how will they get to work . Yes they could use the bus , if they can afford it , but even the bus costs and arm , and a leg nowadays .

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[Brains]

Not everyone can afford an electric car , many at school now , may never own a car . So you have to ask the question , how will they get to work . Yes they could use the bus , if they can afford it , but even the bus costs and arm , and a leg nowadays .

This is becoming the big hidden issue.
I've run teenage youth groups for well over 30 years.

30 years ago many of the kids would turn up on motorbikes, and it was a standard 'right of passage' to get your driving test when you got to your late teens.

I'm not aware of any of our 40+ current teenagers even getting driving lessons, forget about a taking a test, it's not even on their radar. I cant actually remember the last one to pass, but it's not been for at least 5 years.
It means that of todays urban twenty somethings, only a single figure percentage have a driving licence.

A friend of mine is really struggling to find labourers for his landscape gardening business, as they need to be able to drive.

 

[airwave]

I'm not aware of any of our 40+ current teenagers even getting driving lessons, forget about a taking a test, it's not even on their radar. I cant actually remember the last one to pass, but it's not been for at least 5 years.
It means that of todays urban twenty somethings, only a single figure percentage have a driving licence.

Oh shoot , you mean it's already happening ? , that was just a prediction ! .


I had no idea this was already happening , but you can see their point . The problem is , this may change their outlook on life , and with today's society of entitlement , what other aspects will this change ? .

 

[Ivory55]

New mills has a campsite at the marina and looks to me just outside the zone and on the rail line to get into Manchester if it helps anybody.

 

[Gromett]

I think in the not so distant future this will be seen as a good thing.

Before the family moved back to Manchester we used to visit every 3 months or so to see gran etc. I vividly remember as a child seeing a black church slowly turn sand coloured as they cleaned it in stages.

As an adult I hadn't been back to Manchester for well over 20 years. The last time I went back I looked out for that Church and it was back to black again. It only took around 30 years for it to return to it's horrible black colour due to pollution from diesel and petrol vehicles driving right past it.

 

[robnchris]

It would appear the local councils have forgotten their quest of bringing the city centres back to life, certainly with the new CAZ zones people will keep away that's not going to help the theatres, restaurants and shopping industry, not to mention NCP car parks I bet they are loving this new direction.

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[robmilton]

Whilst i agree with the points made we already ARE complying with government limits for our vehicle emissions via the m.o.t system and the limits with that are getting lower by the year.

 

[Ivory55]

Whilst i agree with the points made we already ARE complying with government limits for our vehicle emissions via the m.o.t system and the limits with that are getting lower by the year.

It is what it is. Pay up or don’t go, personally I prefer the don’t go.

 

[dunnah01]

It is what it is. Pay up or don’t go, personally I prefer the don’t go.

D'ya feel lucky - getting across the country from east to west / North to South or vice versa north of Birmingham will take through Greater Manchester unless you take the minor roads - Fine if you remember but 'a fine' if you don't

 

[2657]

D'ya feel lucky - getting across the country from east to west / North to South or vice versa north of Birmingham will take through Greater Manchester unless you take the minor roads - Fine if you remember but 'a fine' if you don't

All roads maintained by the Highways Agency, as opposed to the LA, are exempt from the charge.
All motorways and many through trunk roads fall into this category.
Edit:
I have just looked at the map and only 2 trunk roads are included and these are both extensions of motorways.
The M66 past Ramsbottom and the A57 past Hyde to the GMC boundary.

 

[Brains]

Oh shoot , you mean it's already happening ? , that was just a prediction ! .


I had no idea this was already happening , but you can see their point . The problem is , this may change their outlook on life , and with today's society of entitlement , what other aspects will this change ? .

Rural villages - the decrease of population will escalate
Public Transport - These people will rely on public transport, fine in big cities, but a few miles outside may as well be the moon.
Cycling will increase
Delivery companies will thrive

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[Arnside037]

Just noted that on my 66 mile drive to see the grandkids, I have to pass from the M56 exit and travel 1.7 km under the Airport on the A538 then exit the CAZ into Morley (Cheshire) That's a very expensive 1.7 km drive. So its a shame for the residents of Knutsford as that's the best alternative option, same distance but 7 mins longer.
That's a point, Manchester Airport is in the zone .... so what's the charge going to be on an Airbus A380 double decker ... has anybody checked the emissions on one of those?

 

[TheTwoOfUs]

All roads maintained by the Highways Agency, as opposed to the LA, are exempt from the charge.
All motorways and many through trunk roads fall into this category.
Edit:
I have just looked at the map and only 2 trunk roads are included and these are both extensions of motorways.
The M66 past Ramsbottom and the A57 past Hyde to the GMC boundary.

Do you mean they are included in the charge or included in the exemption from the charge?

 

[2657]

Do you mean they are included in the charge or included in the exemption from the charge?

Sorry, I didn't make that clear, those 2 roads are included in the exemption.

 

[buttons]

London now Manchester it would appear that Labour controlled mayors are working with the Greens in an assault on our wallets.

 

[2657]

London now Manchester it would appear that Labour controlled mayors are working with the Greens in an assault on our wallets.

If I have read GJH ' posts correctly these zones are inflicted upon us by central government edict
The central government at the moment and for the last ten years happens to be Conservative

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[Figaro]

Just noted that on my 66 mile drive to see the grandkids, I have to pass from the M56 exit and travel 1.7 km under the Airport on the A538 then exit the CAZ into Morley (Cheshire) That's a very expensive 1.7 km drive. So its a shame for the residents of Knutsford as that's the best alternative option, same distance but 7 mins longer.
That's a point, Manchester Airport is in the zone .... so what's the charge going to be on an Airbus A380 double decker ... has anybody checked the emissions on one of those?

The A380 and any other aircraft you care to mention, doesn't even pay fuel duty / tax on the fuel it uses

 

[Arnside037]

The A380 and any other aircraft you care to mention, doesn't even pay fuel duty / tax on the fuel it uses

Hasn't Andy Burnham noticed?

 

[dunnah01]

All roads maintained by the Highways Agency, as opposed to the LA, are exempt from the charge.
All motorways and many through trunk roads fall into this category.
Edit:
I have just looked at the map and only 2 trunk roads are included and these are both extensions of motorways.
The M66 past Ramsbottom and the A57 past Hyde to the GMC boundary.

there's another 5+ years of roadworks to change them to smart motorways so years of sat in jams rather than driving around them

 

[Brains]

The A380 and any other aircraft you care to mention, doesn't even pay fuel duty / tax on the fuel it uses

Hence the reason why it's cheaper to fly than take the train.

AvGas should be taxed at a similar rate to vehicles.
If that brings short haul flights to an instant stop, then that can only be a good thing

 

[airwave]

local councils have forgotten their quest of bringing the city centres back to life,

Quite , but then no one wanted to pay the high rent , and lets face it , there's more money to be had with tolls .

the limits with that are getting lower by the year.

And will continue to do so . It's all part of the electric dream , and the ultimate removal of the ice .

so what's the charge going to be on an Airbus A380 double decker

Yeah quite , if we are in such an emergency , then why is air travel unaffected . Don't give me none of that clap-trap about aircraft becoming cleaner . Why has a third runway being approved at Heathrow , why has there being a huge airspace grab , condensing ga traffic , and why such a push on transponders . This all smacks of an increase in air traffic , not decrease . A 47 taxi-ing for takeoff at heathrow , uses enough fuel to last a Mini for a year . And i'm talking about the old Mini , not this recent german imitation . Given the amount of c02 that car produces , what would a 47 produce during a transoceanic flight ?. Being in mind taxi-ing would last , what 10 , 15 minutes at basically what is tick over ? .

Labour

Same as it's always been , and always will be . They are the party of stealth taxes , to cover their spending , then the tories come in with austerity to put some dosh back in the kitty .

inflicted upon us by central government

Now i'm not totally sure here , but i think your find it's the councils that set the ball rolling , with the government rubber stamping it . This is why Oxford has not joined the ranks , gov wouldn't rubber stamp it . Though i do seem to recall , the last i heard , this position has recently changed and is now being allowed .

Rural villages - the decrease of population will escalate
Public Transport - These people will rely on public transport, fine in big cities, but a few miles outside may as well be the moon.
Cycling will increase
Delivery companies will thrive

All very true , but not exactly what i meant . I was talking social changes , let's face the poverty gap can only get bigger .

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[Ivory55]

Hence the reason why it's cheaper to fly than take the train.

AvGas should be taxed at a similar rate to vehicles.
If that brings short haul flights to an instant stop, then that can only be a good thing

Would you make an exemption for the Scottish islands ? As they are used for local people like kids for school

 

[Figaro]

Hence the reason why it's cheaper to fly than take the train.

AvGas should be taxed at a similar rate to vehicles.
If that brings short haul flights to an instant stop, then that can only be a good thing

For some reason known to nobody as far as I can see, aviation is seen as essential to the economy and must be encouraged at all costs and at every opportunity

 

[buttons]

If I have read GJH ' posts correctly these zones are inflicted upon us by central government edict
The central government at the moment and for the last ten years happens to be Conservative

Nah....that is not what Khan said at the cop 26 meeting in Scotland recently.
Where Other world city Mayors appointed Khan as their leader for what he did with London charging. They made him a hero


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[GJH]

Nah....that is not what Khan said at the cop 26 meeting in Scotland recently.
Where Other world city Mayors appointed Khan as their leader for what he did with London charging. They made him a hero


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Documents setting out the UK’s plan for reducing roadside nitrogen dioxide concentrations.

www.gov.uk

 

[GJH]

All roads maintained by the Highways Agency, as opposed to the LA, are exempt from the charge.
All motorways and many through trunk roads fall into this category.
Edit:
I have just looked at the map and only 2 trunk roads are included and these are both extensions of motorways.
The M66 past Ramsbottom and the A57 past Hyde to the GMC boundary.

The A57 (and A628 which branches off it) has been a problem for years before the M67 was built.
One reason for building the M62 was to deal with that problem but too many commercial vehicle operators continue to use it because they don't want to pay the marginal extra fuel cost of using the M62.

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