Good news on not!

[KeefieWeefie]

Ferry booked for Sunday week, Dover to Calais for a 3 to 4 month trip through France, Spain and Portugal! Four new Michelin Agilis All Climate tyres fitted last Saturday in preparation for the M O.T.
On the way to Kwik Fit the ABS light and the Fuel Injection system light came on as well as the Speedo not working! I couldn't notice anything adverse whilst driving but it's not going to pass the M.O.T. with those lights on, so booked Bessacarr E520 in for a service and repairs. The van is only 7 years old so I'm hoping it's not too serious! Good thing is that I can get it fixed before I leave, hopefully before my ferry booking!

 

[maison]

KeefieWeefie
Good luck.

It’s always worrying when something appears wrong. Especially so close to a planned journey.

Best wishes for a quick resolution.

 

[Barclaybasher]

The ABS light came on on my car, speedo went off - both are connected through ABS (includes speed sensor for speedo). Garage cleaned sensor - so far ok.

 

[pagey]

earth strap ?

 

[KeefieWeefie]

The ABS light came on on my car, speedo went off - both are connected through ABS (includes speed sensor for speedo). Garage cleaned sensor - so far ok.

Thanks Pagey. I hope that's my problem too!

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[KeefieWeefie]

So my motorhome garage AEG did a leak test on the injectors and found that there is a 10% difference between two of them then tell me that don't have the electronic equipment to balance them and have advised me to get them checked out at a Fiat service station! I think that should have advised me to do that in the first place. Booked in next Tuesday so fingers crossed!

 

[KeefieWeefie]

Took the van to Guest Truck and Van as recommended by my Motorhome dealer on Monday. They are Fiat specialists or so it says on their building. On Tuesday afternoon I phoned to find out what was wrong and was told that the computer was at their Birmingham branch and should arrive later that afternoon. On Wednesday afternoon I phoned again and was told that they were waiting for an outside electrician to come and check my wiring. They called me later and said he wouldn't arrive until tomorrow. So now it looks doubtful that I will make the ferry Booking on Sunday! Some specialist that doesn't have there own equipment or electrician!

 

[Beltie]

Which branch of Guests are you using?

 

[KeefieWeefie]

Which branch of Guests are you using?

It's at the Wolverhampton branch. Still waiting for the electricians diagnosis. I've been up all night googling the problem and found loads of people that have had the same problem. Sometimes it was just a matter of disconnecting the battery or earth strap! I'm hoping it's as simple as that. I now know how to clean the mass air flow sensor, the EGR valve, the throttle valve etc. You tube has multiple reasons why the check engine light comes on.

 

[KeefieWeefie]

earth strap ?

Yes it could be. I wish I had Googled the problem before I took it in. It seems that loads of folks have had this problem!

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[Beltie]

Wolverhampton are normally pretty helpful.
The guy to speak to is Dana, the service manager. However, as you've discovered, all the kit seems to be at the West Brom. branch which is much bigger.
I wouldn't trust AEG with a pedal car. They did a service on my last 'van and 'forgot' to replace the dipstick, leading to oil all over the place. They seemed to find the whole episode highly amusing.
Before you spend too much more money, I'd follow pagey's advice and fit a new earth strap.

 

[KeefieWeefie]

I know what you mean about AEG. They borrowed a leak tester and checked my injectors knowing that they couldn't fix a problem if they found one! Thanks for the info re Guest Van and Truck. Wish I had taken it to West Brom!

 

[KeefieWeefie]

So the outcome was Guest Van and Truck after having had my motorhome for 3 full days and contracting an outside electrician to check my wires reported that my Abs Pump has failed! I googled it myself and it took me 2 minutes to find that Ducatos between 2012 and 2014 have often had this problem. Shouldn't they have looked there first seeing that the ABS light is on? Then they quoted me £1,900 + VAT + Labour + VAT to fix it. I know that Ecutesting near Derby can refurbish the unit for between £150 to £200 with a 24 hour turnaround and a lifetime warranty! So I did a YouTube search and watch a video on how to remove the unit. It looks like a piece of cake so I collected my van from Guest Van and Truck. They charged me £240.00 for the diagnosis! I already paid AEG £70.00 so I am already down £310.00 without solving anything. After getting the van home I I cannot see the ABS unit under my bonnet so it must be hiding under something, I search on YouTube and on line for my van but found nothing so I decided to download a Service and repair manual from Emanuals online. What a waste of space that manual was! It won't work on android or iPad or tablet or even Windows computer without downloading a Virtual machine which opens it using Windows XP! Even then there is no mention of where the ABS pump is located! Another £20 wasted. So now I need to find a mechanic to remove it for me to send to Ecutesting. I've had to cancel my ferry as well. Feeling very frustrated and cannot do a thing on Sunday about it.

 

[KeefieWeefie]

I've checked the earth strap and it's fine. I disconnected the battery for a few hours but that did nothing and the same faults are showing.

 

[Scout]

I had a similar problem this year, eml and others coming on , after a lot of fault reading, driving to test more fault reading etc etc, turns out it was the battery , been fine since

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[KeefieWeefie]

I had a similar problem this year, eml and others coming on , after a lot of fault reading, driving to test more fault reading etc etc, turns out it was the battery , been fine since

I did think of that but my battery is fine as is the earth strap. Turns out that Fiat Ducatos between 2012 a d 2014 have all had this ABS pump problem, this is why the speedo is not working.

 

[Puddleduck]

I hope you get it sorted soon.

Sorry about your trip being postponed.

 

[DDJC]

I have three principles regarding work on my van.

1. The dealer wants you to buy another van, not repair yours - don't use the dealer.
2. I prefer to pay someone who knows what he is doing, rather than royally cock it up and then pay more to have my bodge, unbodged.
3. I am not a mug. Quote me silly, and I go somewhere else.

Oh and Mrs DDJC has reminded me of a fourth. Apparently, unless it is tyre pressure or refilling the washerwipe, I should just leave it alone and call someone because I am a DIY idiot. Struggling to disagree.

 

[KeefieWeefie]

I have three principles regarding work on my van.

1. The dealer wants you to buy another van, not repair yours - don't use the dealer.
2. I prefer to pay someone who knows what he is doing, rather than royally cock it up and then pay more to have my bodge, unbodged.
3. I am not a mug. Quote me silly, and I go somewhere else.

Oh and Mrs DDJC has reminded me of a fourth. Apparently, unless it is tyre pressure or refilling the washerwipe, I should just leave it alone and call someone because I am a DIY idiot. Struggling to disagree.

Very helpful, thank you?

 

[TinaLes]

I can understand why you would get an ABS warning light come on if the ABS pump has failed, but why oh why should that affect the speedo? Ahhhhhhhh!!!
These things are just overcomplicated, and the quote you had from the garage is taking the proverbial.
Its a bloody Fiat Van, not a Rolls Royce, or a Ferrari.
My thoughts and best wishes goes out to you, and all of us when we have to rely on silly things going wrong that stop everything else working that should.
I really hope you get sorted soon at a sensible price.
LES

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[busby]

Took the van to Guest Truck and Van as recommended by my Motorhome dealer on Monday. They are Fiat specialists or so it says on their building. On Tuesday afternoon I phoned to find out what was wrong and was told that the computer was at their Birmingham branch and should arrive later that afternoon. On Wednesday afternoon I phoned again and was told that they were waiting for an outside electrician to come and check my wiring. They called me later and said he wouldn't arrive until tomorrow. So now it looks doubtful that I will make the ferry Booking on Sunday! Some specialist that doesn't have there own equipment or electrician!

So glad i have my so called back street garage,,,never failed me in 15 years,,and he is cheap,,BUSBY.

 

[KeefieWeefie]

I can understand why you would get an ABS warning light come on if the ABS pump has failed, but why oh why should that affect the speedo? Ahhhhhhhh!!!
These things are just overcomplicated, and the quote you had from the garage is taking the proverbial.
Its a bloody Fiat Van, not a Rolls Royce, or a Ferrari.
My thoughts and best wishes goes out to you, and all of us when we have to rely on silly things going wrong that stop everything else working that should.
I really hope you get sorted soon at a sensible price.
LES

Cheers Les! Yes it's ridiculous that a warning light for the ABS should cause the speedo to stop working plus put the check engine light on which could be many things plus the outside temperature display doesn't work. I'm going to call a local guy regarding remapping of the ECU. I'll keep you all posted.

 

[Deneb]

Speed signal is calculated by the ABS ECU from the wheel sensors and transmitted to the instrument cluster ECU which drives the speedometer. The ABS warning light hasn't caused the speedometer to stop working. A fault in the ABS system has caused the speedometer to stop working and the warning light has been triggered as a result.

 

[bigtallgeezer]

Mine failed on a 2012 Ducati based Pilote Explorateur 18 months ago, and put me into very dead slow mode. Long story short, Recovered to main Fiat dealer for diagnosis and charged £280 for very thorough incorrect diagnosis of entertainment system and wing mirror temperature sensor faults. They later repaid that after threat of court action.

Three additional garage attempts later, (first two couldn’t diagnose it - no charge) it turned out it actually was the abs unit, diagnosed and fixed by Brownings at Newark. As you say, it was a known issue, but Fiat wouldn’t make a contribution.

I can’t remember exactly what the mechanic who fixed it told me, but he did say that he had seen it a number of times, and it could be very confusing to diagnose because of what appears to be going on with fault codes, warning lights etc etc, compared with what actually is. It was a very expensive pain in the wallet to fix, and has not been an issue since.

By the way, I did consider the mail order refurbishment route, but hadn’t got the guts to chance it not knowing whether that was going to be more time and money wasted with no concrete diagnosis. To be honest I still wasn’t convinced by Brownings until it did turn out that replacement did fix all the problems!

Good luck!
p.s. What deneb says above also rings a bell from what the chap that fixed mine explained!

 

[TinaLes]

Far too complicated...a speedo drive wire from gearbox to speedo serves its purpose for decades, I guess it was a cheaper option to Fiat and others to fit an electronic ECU feed, but more costly for us when it goes tits up.
LES

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[Silver-Fox]

Far too complicated...a speedo drive wire from gearbox to speedo serves its purpose for decades, I guess it was a cheaper option to Fiat and others to fit an electronic ECU feed, but more costly for us when it goes tits up.
LES

Manufacturers don’t seem to give a toss once the vehicle is so called out of warranty.

To me if a vehicle can’t be used without fault for say ten years, given a regular service, then it’s not fit for purpose.

Beats me how they get away with it.

 

[Deneb]

Far too complicated...a speedo drive wire from gearbox to speedo serves its purpose for decades, I guess it was a cheaper option to Fiat and others to fit an electronic ECU feed, but more costly for us when it goes tits up.
LES

The ABS ECU needs to know wheel speeds so that its various functions such as ESC, HDC, Anti-rollover mitigation, city safety, intelligent cruise control, iTPMS etc. will work correctly. The vehicle manufacturer uses the sensor outputs from the ABS for accuracy and consistency across systems on the vehicle, plus electronics save weight and help meet emissions targets. Unfortunately they also sometimes go wrong, but as the unit is made by Bosch you can't really blame Fiat for its malfunction. Complicated yes, but that's the price of the safety systems we take for granted on modern vehicles.

 

[KeefieWeefie]

Mine failed on a 2012 Ducati based Pilote Explorateur 18 months ago, and put me into very dead slow mode. Long story short, Recovered to main Fiat dealer for diagnosis and charged £280 for very thorough incorrect diagnosis of entertainment system and wing mirror temperature sensor faults. They later repaid that after threat of court action.

Three additional garage attempts later, (first two couldn’t diagnose it - no charge) it turned out it actually was the abs unit, diagnosed and fixed by Brownings at Newark. As you say, it was a known issue, but Fiat wouldn’t make a contribution.

I can’t remember exactly what the mechanic who fixed it told me, but he did say that he had seen it a number of times, and it could be very confusing to diagnose because of what appears to be going on with fault codes, warning lights etc etc, compared with what actually is. It was a very expensive pain in the wallet to fix, and has not been an issue since.

By the way, I did consider the mail order refurbishment route, but hadn’t got the guts to chance it not knowing whether that was going to be more time and money wasted with no concrete diagnosis. To be honest I still wasn’t convinced by Brownings until it did turn out that replacement did fix all the problems!

Good luck!
p.s. What deneb says above also rings a bell from what the chap that fixed mine explained!

Thanks friend. So did you replace the ABS with a new replacement? I have been pointed towards the many ABS pumps available on Ebay for a fraction of what Fiat want me to pay!

 

[Deneb]

Thanks friend. So did you replace the ABS with a new replacement? I have been pointed towards the many ABS pumps available on Ebay for a fraction of what Fiat want me to pay!

I would get your existing unit checked and repaired by someone like EcuTesting if it were mine. Cheaper than a main dealer and you'll get a known tested and working unit back, rather than taking a gamble with an unknown eBay unit that you will still need diagnostic equipment to program into your van.

Fiat Ducato ABS pump repair

Ducato ABS pump and module failure will cause ABS light and EBD failure warning

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[KeefieWeefie]

Manufacturers don’t seem to give a toss once the vehicle is so called out of warranty.

To me if a vehicle can’t be used without fault for say ten years, given a regular service, then it’s not fit for purpose.

Beats me how they get away with it.

I think you are correct given the amount of money these vehicles cost us. Manufacturers should bear the responsibility to guarantee that certain essential elements should be replaced at their cost if it's down to a design fault. It's now known that the ABS pumps in the Fiat Ducatos between 2012 and 2014 are known to be faulty on average. The fact that they are made by Bosch is irrelevant, they have been sold to us as a part of the Fiat Ducato. My particular ABS pump has only been in action for 25,000 miles.

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