Gasit or Gaslow? Who is telling the truth??? (1 Viewer)

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Having owned both Gasit and Gaslow I’d ignore the hype from Gasit and chose Gaslow

When I had a technical issue with my Gaslow system (issue caused by bad fitting by dealer) they sent out a technical manager to sort the problem.

Gasit and Gaslow are not the same
 
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@Robert Clark I agree with you Robert, I had Gaslow on the Globecar and intend to fit again on the Hy*** (oops, still s'posed to be a secret hehe).

But just what is it with all this R67 caper? almost as if Gasit are trying to scaremonger!? :eek::eek:

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@Robert Clark I agree with you Robert, I had Gaslow on the Globecar and intend to fit again on the Hy*** (oops, still s'posed to be a secret hehe).

But just what is it with all this R67 caper? almost as if Gasit are trying to scaremonger!? :eek::eek:

My thoughts exactly
I self fitted Gaslow I’m my new van and have been delighted.
 
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@scotjimland except they are not R67 Jim. I'm sure they're good, it's just this R67 caper :confused::eek:

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Sorry, a bit confused. Apart from them being the latest model what is the difference between R67 bottles and the original?
Should I be thinking about changing my Gaslow bottles (been on van about 8 yrs)?

Ah, just read the Gaslow link - should be good for another 7 years!

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I think you will actually find it's some small print in the regulations that mentions that the systems are only completely compliant if installed by registered installers ?
You might actually be supriised but I doubt any installlers are registered to fit a refillable lpg system for habitation use as I can assure you Gas Safe doesn't.
 
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I don't know what it means for our installations but I know what Gasit are saying. There are well-understood regulations for the installation of LPG containers on or in vehicles and the mention of withstanding 20G/8G is correct. If refillable 'cyljnders' are cylinder-shaped tanks (which they are) then arguably the regulations apply. If so it means that pretty well every Gasit, Gaslow, and Alugas, installation falls foul of the regulations. It sounds as though when the Regulations were drafted (around the time Autogas for propulsion became popular) no-one considered the use of cylinder-shaped, strap-in, tanks.
 

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I don't know what it means for our installations but I know what Gasit are saying. There are well-understood regulations for the installation of LPG containers on or in vehicles and the mention of withstanding 20G/8G is correct. If refillable 'cyljnders' are cylinder-shaped tanks (which they are) then arguably the regulations apply. If so it means that pretty well every Gasit, Gaslow, and Alugas, installation falls foul of the regulations. It sounds as though when the Regulations were drafted (around the time Autogas for propulsion became popular) no-one considered the use of cylinder-shaped, strap-in, tanks.
Yes that's pretty much as I understand it so basically no one is really registered to install what doesn't actually fit into anyone's regulations or qualifications.

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I think you will actually find it's some small print in the regulations that mentions that the systems are only completely compliant if installed by registered installers ?
You might actually be supriised but I doubt any installlers are registered to fit a refillable lpg system for habitation use as I can assure you Gas Safe doesn't.

There are some additional ACS tickets that can be added - one for LPG and a different one for leisure vehicles - that installers can get if they want but I've never come across anyone with that particular combination because it's simply not necessary. Even the companies that sell and install these systems don't use registered installers.

Additionally as we've covered before leisure vehicles are specifically excluded from the GSIUR unless they are permanently sited or used for commercial gain so there's definitely nothing in any UK regulations that says that.
 
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I don't know what it means for our installations but I know what Gasit are saying. There are well-understood regulations for the installation of LPG containers on or in vehicles and the mention of withstanding 20G/8G is correct. If refillable 'cyljnders' are cylinder-shaped tanks (which they are) then arguably the regulations apply. If so it means that pretty well every Gasit, Gaslow, and Alugas, installation falls foul of the regulations. It sounds as though when the Regulations were drafted (around the time Autogas for propulsion became popular) no-one considered the use of cylinder-shaped, strap-in, tanks.
I agree but I think as Gasit say the R67 cylinders are classed as a tank similar to an underslung so I suppose if some inspector wanted to be awkward he could pick that up.
However what inspectors? I’ve not heard of anyone’s cylinders being included in MOT and if they were you could just take them out and put them back after test.
I suppose you would also need to consider if you had an accident and the insurance used it as an excuse not to pay up as Gasit are stating?
I do have a self installed Gasit system and am very happy with it I also had a Gaslowsystem in another van and to be honest very little to choose between either.
 
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There are some additional ACS tickets that can be added - one for LPG and a different one for leisure vehicles - that installers can get if they want but I've never come across anyone with that particular combination because it's simply not necessary. Even the companies that sell and install these systems don't use registered installers.

Additionally as we've covered before leisure vehicles are specifically excluded from the GSIUR unless they are permanently sited or used for commercial gain so there's definitely nothing in any UK regulations that says that.
I have had the ACS tickets and been Gas Safe for lpg and lav's but never used it so haven't renewed it .
It certainly didn't cover refillable systems.
Nearest you might get is someone being a member of UKLPG with the qualifications for vehicle lpg systems but then also being either Gas Safe or What used to be ACOPS.
I think this is what Gas IT are saying is that basically no one can say they have fitted something to a particular standard or under such and such regulations when the product actually doesn't fall into any existing category ?

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I don't know what it means for our installations but I know what Gasit are saying. There are well-understood regulations for the installation of LPG containers on or in vehicles and the mention of withstanding 20G/8G is correct. If refillable 'cyljnders' are cylinder-shaped tanks (which they are) then arguably the regulations apply. If so it means that pretty well every Gasit, Gaslow, and Alugas, installation falls foul of the regulations. It sounds as though when the Regulations were drafted (around the time Autogas for propulsion became popular) no-one considered the use of cylinder-shaped, strap-in, tanks.

No. You've missed something vital.

The relevant UK regualations are the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations 1998.

Installations in leisure vehicles are specifically excluded from the scope of the regulations unless they are permanently sited, used for hire or used for commercial purposes.
 

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No. You've missed something vital.

The relevant UK regualations are the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations 1998.

Installations in leisure vehicles are specifically excluded from the scope of the regulations unless they are permanently sited, used for hire or used for commercial purposes.
Yes so some strange situations now occur because if a builder uses an old caravan for a tea hut or a farmer puts up temporary workers or you hire your motorhome out then yes it's a Gas Safe certificate?
Ok that's easy but now how do you get a certificate for a hired out American rv ?
No one can certificate a non CE marked appliance !
 
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Yes so some strange situations now occur because if a builder uses an old caravan for a tea hut or a farmer puts up temporary workers or you hire your motorhome out then yes it's a Gas Safe certificate?
Ok that's easy but now how do you get a certificate for a hired out American rv ?
No one can certificate a non CE marked appliance !

And that puts you back to the point of needing to find someone with that particular ACS combination and there aren't many of them around.

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The interesting part is when something goes horribly wrong with a (professional installation) if some clever solicitors or insurance company actually realise the situation.
Although I do understand that more and more owners are now being asked if their gas systems and solar etc have been professionally installed ?
 
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No. You've missed something vital.

The relevant UK regualations are the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations 1998.

Installations in leisure vehicles are specifically excluded from the scope of the regulations unless they are permanently sited, used for hire or used for commercial purposes.
I think the regulations that are referred are these:

https://www.uklpg.org/resources/codes-of-practice/code-of-practice-11

I have a (probably out-of-date) copy of COP 11 on my PC at home from when I converted my first motorhome. The mention of withstanding a specific G force is what triggered the memory. Like all such regulations it was drawn up by an industry body and simply accepted by legislators as a demonstration of competence. Bit like CORGI used to be.
 
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So it’s basically a big fat can of worms :eek:

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Neither Gasit not Gaslow make their own bottles. They are all made by the same US owned company in the same factory in Portugal (or Poland some say, the maker has factories in both countries) and are just painted a different colour depending upon the company they are sold to. Galsow marketing is aimed at motorhome/caravan dealer fit system, hence why that is what you usually see in dealers' shops, whereas Gasit market and sell mainly to the own fit market and through gas specialist companies.
 

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Basically they are trying to make the competition (Gaslow) look like cowboys when in fact Gaslow have been doing these types of cylinders a lot longer than Gasit have!

The cylinders produced by both companies are IMV totally appropriate for the intended use, ie to be installed in motorhomes/campers/caravans, just buy whichever ones you are happiest with.
 
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Well today I popped into to Avon Autogas for a little chat...... they are doing a deal on twin GASIT 11KG kit including fill line and filler point, inter tank fill hose all for £360 (oh plus another £24 for two pigtails to connect to Truma Duo CS)

Seems like a good price to me, and all in stock and I can collect on the way home from work (y)

At the end of the day, if they are good enough for OE on some UK motorhomes then I'm sure they're good enough for me :)
 
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Well today I popped into to Avon Autogas for a little chat...... they are doing a deal on twin GASIT 11KG kit including fill line and filler point, inter tank fill hose all for £360 (oh plus another £24 for two pigtails to connect to Truma Duo CS)

Seems like a good price to me, and all in stock and I can collect on the way home from work (y)

At the end of the day, if they are good enough for OE on some UK motorhomes then I'm sure they're good enough for me :)
Totally agree. If you have any doubt at all consider the standard fitment of portable cylinders and try to imagine how fitting refillables is any less safe. It very obviously isn't so you're doing nothing to compromise safety by installing Gasit or Gaslow.

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