French workers strike (1 Viewer)

[johnp10]

It's not a CONTEST between employers and employees........... one can't exist without the other........... if either party makes it a CONTEST they both lose in the end...

Unreasonable working conditions - v - unreasonable worker demands
= disaster

How can any worker make any demands, unreasonable or otherwise, when they are on zero hours contracts, to be finished at the whim of an unscrupulous employer.
"Unscrupulous" means employers who employ a whole workforce on zero hours contracts.
They are taking advantage of workers.

i have heard several employers tell folk they can be finished with no notice if they dont toe the line.
The employer is in a position to simply not give them any more work.
I'm not talking about bums here, but good workers who want a decent lunch break, the right level of PPE, more than a day's notice of when they were required.
Although the employer has no commitment to the worker, the worker can't even get another part time job as he is tied to the employers' whims.
How anybody can say zero hours contracts are a good thing and have a place is beyond me.

 

[sallylillian]

So if you want to discuss the political issues of zero hours why not start a thread and bore yourselves, those who want to follow the French situation are stuck wading through your self indulgent crap which is totally unrelated to the thread. That is not fun it's just plain boring.

 

[Barclaybasher]

How can any worker make any demands, unreasonable or otherwise, when they are on zero hours contracts, to be finished at the whim of an unscrupulous employer.
"Unscrupulous" means employers who employ a whole workforce on zero hours contracts.
They are taking advantage of workers.

I did not mention zero hours contracts

The dispute in France is not about 'unscrupulous' employers, it's a Socialist Government trying to make changes to 'modernise' employment law in an effort to reduce unemployment


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[2657]

If it works for the people and it works for the firm what's the problem?

If they were forced to do what you suggest then there almost certainly wouldn't be 42 jobs. No more than 10 would be my guess. Any more would be too much of a risk.

The problem is that those 42 people that don't need a job and are doing it because they are bored are keeping, on your figures, 10 people that need a job!

 

[landscaper]

Perhaps rename this thread "Zero hours contracts" and start another one about the actual current fuel situation in France ............

 

[Barclaybasher]

Perhaps rename this thread "Zero hours contracts" and start another one about the actual current fuel situation in France ............

... well this thread is titled French Workers Strike............

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[chaser]

Perhaps rename this thread "Zero hours contracts" and start another one about the actual current fuel situation in France ............

Well as I posted a while ago , itn news says things are moving again now, so not much to say really, might as well discuss zero hours

 

[2657]

So if you want to discuss the political issues of zero hours why not start a thread and bore yourselves, those who want to follow the French situation are stuck wading through your self indulgent crap which is totally unrelated to the thread. That is not fun it's just plain boring.

I don't think this discussion is too far off thread, it is titled 'French workers strike' and the discussion has led to the rights and wrongs of zero hours contracts which may or may not be directly related to the reasons for the strikes.
There is a thread entitled 'Fuel shortages in France' which may be more directly related to your needs, as I am in France at the moment I have contributed to both threads.

FYI in the St. Nazaire/ La Baule area today there was no sign of industrial action and fuel was available in several fuel stations that we passed

 

[chaser]

I don't think this discussion is too far off thread, it is titled 'French workers strike' and the discussion has led to the rights and wrongs of zero hours contracts which may or may not be directly related to the reasons for the strikes.
There is a thread entitled 'Fuel shortages in France' which may be more directly related to your needs, as I am in France at the moment I have contributed to both threads.

FYI in the St. Nazaire/ La Baule area today there was no sign of industrial action and fuel was available in several fuel stations that we passed

There's a thread here that I started nearly a fortnight ago about it , but no one seemed to think it was going to happen
http://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/france-on-strike-tomorrow.130939/

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[sdc77]

Not in france so can't assist with the fuel situation. About time the government in france did something to help the employers though. And as for zero hours contracts.. it's a choice to go for the job .. which some people .. elderly and students spring to mind .. want to do.
No point in taking on a zero hours job then moaning about it.

 

[2657]

There's a thread here that I started nearly a fortnight ago about it , but no one seemed to think it was going to happen
http://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/france-on-strike-tomorrow.130939/

You will of course have noted my contributions to your thread

 

[Ivory55]

As said earlier many are forced to take zero hour contracts by the job centre so it's not by choice. There are less and less full time jobs out there now.

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[Langtoftlad]

Zero hours - just modern name for Casual labour, or seasonal working.
Always has been, always will be.
Supply & demand rules apply to everything & everyone.
The politicians can meddle with the 'rules' but market forces & human ingenuity will find its own level.
Ban zero hours, something else will fill the vacuum.

 

[Ivory55]

Used to be casual or seasonal work was cash which made it more appealing. Or as in round here they worked full time hours through the holiday season and lived on the dole in the winter as no other work available. Zero hour can be as when now by the hour or day not a full week.

 

[Sabino]

Fuel Crisis Eases

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[2657]

I was self employed for more than 30 years and in effect worked for whoever and whenever it suited me and whoever required my services to, hopefully, mutual advantage. This situation arose at my instigation and at no time in those 30+ years did the word 'contract' come into play. That is the crucial difference.

 

[Sabino]

Five Free Apps

Apologies for keeping going off topic.

 

[gus-lopez]

If it works for the people and it works for the firm what's the problem?

If they were forced to do what you suggest then there almost certainly wouldn't be 42 jobs. No more than 10 would be my guess. Any more would be too much of a risk.

Highly unlikely that 10 people could deliver 35 new cars each & every day all over the Uk . Goes up to 50-55 when new reg comes in twice a year. My friend is in reality working a 5 day week even though he doesn't work any Mondays.He flogged the MH because he couldn't find the time to use it. Ridiculous.
Additionally the firm are also saving huge amounts on expenses as people like my friend use there 'rail card ' which gives at least 30% discount on the return fares home .That's when they don't fly ! Firm gains at least 30 to 50 £ On each one with a card. The employee's don't get anything out of it. As my friend said one day. " I've worked 9 hours at 7 quid an hour & they've saved 70 quid by me using my rail card " So they've not only delivered a car basically for free but they've made a profit on it .
Just seems completely wrong that all are on zero hours ?

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[johnp10]

I did not mention zero hours contracts

The dispute in France is not about 'unscrupulous' employers, it's a Socialist Government trying to make changes to 'modernise' employment law in an effort to reduce unemployment


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Yep.
Zero hours contracts were invented to help unemployment here.
All they do is massage the figures with people given one or two days work a week being put down as employed.
They also allow a cop out for the employers.
No holiday, sick pay, etc.

Not in france so can't assist with the fuel situation. About time the government in france did something to help the employers though. And as for zero hours contracts.. it's a choice to go for the job .. which some people .. elderly and students spring to mind .. want to do.
No point in taking on a zero hours job then moaning about it.

Choice??
Don't be ridiculous.
When the jobcentre offers the job you HAVE to take it or loose all the benefits you have contributed towards whilst in work.
How is that a choice?

As said earlier many are forced to take zero hour contracts by the job centre so it's not by choice. There are less and less full time jobs out there now.

That's reality.
There are less full time jobs, but plenty of zero hours jobs doing the same thing.
Full time has been replaced, not disappeared.

 

[2657]

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[TM59]

As the originator of the thread I intended it as a point of reference to help either those already in France or about to travel to France. It was not intended as to the rights or wrongs of the strike.

Thank you.

TM59

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[scotjimland]

As has been pointed out there are several other threads about the FUEL supply situation in France and indeed the workers strike.. .. there was no need to start yet another ..


In true Blue Peter style.. one I did earlier..


http://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/panic-buying-service-stations-in-france-run-dry.131154/

 

[Barclaybasher]

As the originator of the thread I intended it as a point of reference to help either those already in France or about to travel to France. It was not intended as to the rights or wrongs of the strike.
Thank you. TM59

Threads on FUN are always subverted .......... but important info is not lost... the great thing about being in a MH is that running short of fuel just alters or slows a journey... not ruin it.........unless you let it

 

[Autowbars]

Well, has the fuel issue eased a little, heard in news that refineries open again, suppose it will take a few days to get sorted tho.

THIS IS NOT A ZERO HOURS POSTING!
And to me it should never have become one!

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[JJ]

Even if you start a thread here, Mr TM59, you can't 'control' it.

Threads on Fun have a life of their own!

JJ

 

[Lot lover]

Leclerc diesel price now up to €1.19. B***** capitalists.

 

[TM59]

Must agree with you on that one JJ. I enjoy it all.

TM59

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[Detnor]

Super U in La Tranche sur Mer about 2pm today. Diesel up tp €1.149, no restrictions, the locals are going a couple of miles out where still €1.10.

 

[moulin 87]

Plenty of fuel all over SW France, just travelled over 1000kms in the last week, no issues whatsoever!! Next week of course may be different!!

 

[Charlie]

Yep.
Zero hours contracts were invented to help unemployment here.
All they do is massage the figures with people given one or two days work a week being put down as employed.
They also allow a cop out for the employers.
No holiday, sick pay, etc.




Choice??
Don't be ridiculous.
When the jobcentre offers the job you HAVE to take it or loose all the benefits you have contributed towards whilst in work.
How is that a choice?



That's reality.
There are less full time jobs, but plenty of zero hours jobs doing the same thing.
Full time has been replaced, not disappeared.

Agree completely...

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