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First call would be to your insurance company to see the number of 'passenger carrying' seats you are covered for - if you have 4 seat belts that would be 1 driver + 3 passengers - so you could find that you won't have insurance.Hi all. Due to travel to France in May. We have 2 cab seat belts which will be occupied by 2 adults & 2 rear forward facing belts which will be occupied by baby seats. The plan is for there to be 2 further adults in the rear either sitting sideways or rear facing without belts, is this legal?
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I can't disagree but MHers seem to want every safety facility possible inside the van - then they'll go sight-seeing on a scooter . I've driven everything I can get my hands on over the years and still ride motorcycles (and drive a Reliant three-wheeler). My a-class MH seems very safe after those. It's hard to justify saying that safety can be over-egged - but I believe it can.You are between a rock and a hard place on this one. How old is your MoHo? I believe there may be a cut off point in the rules but if it was me I wouldn't do it.
How are you going to secure the child seats in?
If you feel you have to secure the children why not the adults?
If you stop immediately (accident) your passengers will suddenly weigh several tonnes and hit you and your front seat passenger from behind while you are strapped in to your seat.
Sorry, not worth taking a chance. Personally it frightens the hell out of me thinking what could go wrong.
And some people only do it a few times a year especially if they don't drive them at home, making them even more dangerousI can't disagree but MHers seem to want every safety facility possible inside the van - then they'll go sight-seeing on a scooter .
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I understand folks concern about the dangers of "some" passengers in the rear of the van not wearing seat belts, "but" many of us on this forum were driving before 1986, when seat belt laws came into force and we all drove around without this paranoia. Much the same with speed limits, they were only introduced during, what is referred to as "the fuel crisiss" and was supposed to reduce folks fuel comsumpsion, NOT as a safety issue.
I find it interesting how we are all being brain washed.
I now sit back and wait for the back lash. Lol
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Speed limits were around long before the fuel crisis (in the '70s). During that period the motorway limit was reduced from 70mph to 50mph then reset to 70mph once the crisis was perceived to be over.I understand folks concern about the dangers of "some" passengers in the rear of the van not wearing seat belts, "but" many of us on this forum were driving before 1986, when seat belt laws came into force and we all drove around without this paranoia. Much the same with speed limits, they were only introduced during, what is referred to as "the fuel crisiss" and was supposed to reduce folks fuel comsumpsion, NOT as a safety issue.
I find it interesting how we are all being brain washed.
I now sit back and wait for the back lash. Lol
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Sorry, yes there have always been speed limits, but what I probably was thinking was the maximum speed limit was introduced.Speed limits were around long before the fuel crisis (in the '70s). During that period the motorway limit was reduced from 70mph to 50mph then reset to 70mph once the crisis was perceived to be over.
Much the same with speed limits, they were only introduced during, what is referred to as "the fuel crisiss" and was supposed to reduce folks fuel comsumpsion, NOT as a safety issue.
I find it interesting how we are all being brain washed.
I now sit back and wait for the back lash. Lol
S
Sorry, yes there have always been speed limits, but what I probably was thinking was the maximum speed limit was introduced.
Unless I'm mistaken, more than likely, there was no speed limit on most motorways and unrestricted roads in the UK. The white circle with a black diagonal line through it signaled the end of the previously posted speed limit. It was commonly regarded, even by the police, as a GLF sign,
(go like f**k), providing it was safe to do so.
P.S. Sorry to go off topic
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As someone who feels uncomfortable sitting on a bus without a seat-belt I would never consider carrying anyone in a vehicle without being secured by a belt.
The question being "am I legal" I live in france and if you were unfortunate to be stopped or in an accident ,,I believe you will be unable to prove that you can carry passengers without belts , regarding accident then your insurance company will have a hard time swallowing your explanation , leaving you without insurance . As to whether you think this is safe ,,thats your call. Nobody travels in my vehicles without a belt on. The weight element has been covered.
Enjoy your holls but suggest a second car .
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The question being "am I legal" I live in france and if you were unfortunate to be stopped or in an accident ,,I believe you will be unable to prove that you can carry passengers without belts , regarding accident then your insurance company will have a hard time swallowing your explanation , leaving you without insurance . As to whether you think this is safe ,,thats your call. Nobody travels in my vehicles without a belt on. The weight element has been covered.
Enjoy your holls but suggest a second car .
I'm not sure about the UK, but here in France the catre gris (log book) will state how many people you can carry and how many the van will sleep. For example, the Rapido that we have can sleep 3 but can carry and has seat belts for 4.
On a previous van, circa 2004, it had beds for 4 but could carry 5, but there were only seat belts for the driver and front passenger.
If we are found to be carrying more people than the care grise states we will be liable for a fine.
I don't know if this answers your question
Why? Is it not written on English vehicles cards?
If the vehicle is an old one, surely its first registration is written somewhere on the papers, isn't it?
So gendarmes will understand it's ruled by some old regulation.
Insurance is another matter to me. There is French law about seat belts, and YOUR insurance, which of course is not related to French regulations.
It sis on my spanish ficha tecnica. 4 passengers travelling , although there are on 2 front seat belts.
Yes same in Spain . How many can travel is on the ficha tecnica. The fact that 4 can travel whilst there are only 2 seat belts doesn't mean anything on the insurance as they insure exactly what is on the ficha tecnica/photo's
No nothing is written on UK log book.
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Well I never , that's changed then as never used to be anything on them. If it has that on the log book then even if there are no belts for 2 passengers the insurance would still be liable as the vehicle can legally carry them.
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