France new Covid rules from 4th December? (1 Viewer)

[Clipgate]

Was not able to copy in full however the most salient but you can find it in the BMJ list.
Use your own best judgement.
Mike Gill, former regional director of public health for the South East England region, said, “This letter has emerged as [the education secretary] Gavin Williamson has announced the introduction of widespread testing in schools with the statement, ‘This expansion of testing into schools and colleges will ensure more certainty for children and parents and everyone working so hard in education.’

“Williamson’s statement was bad enough on its own, since it comes across as yet another egregious display of not being guided by science. The last thing anybody should be encouraged to entertain after an Innova test result, whether positive or negative, is certainty, let alone ‘more’ of it.

“Put alongside the very welcome position taken by Lord Bethell in his letter, it becomes impossible to use the word ‘coherent’ in the context of current government approaches to policy development and implementation.”

The BMJ did not receive a response to a request for clarification from Lord Bethell.

 

[WESTY66]

Eurotunnel Website updated at 5.00am this morning still not mentioning anything about tests to enter France! I saw/heard it all yesterday on various news outlets but it doesn’t seem to be updated with any timescales, none that I can see from a quick look at 5 this morning

 

[orridge]

Thanks, but to be honest, the hassle of arranging tests to be carried out in France and, possibly, in Spain takes the pleasure out of it.

I don’t blame them for their actions, they are trying to protect themselves, so good luck to them. They will not miss our little contribution to their economies but somewhere in the U.K. stands to benefit from our few pounds If we rearrange our trip and tour at home.

We spent six months of the year, for 16 years in France, as we love it, but are willing to wait until things become less uncertain before undertaking a trip.

We will give it a couple of weeks until more is known about Omicron before making a final decision.

No a test injust neeed a ltera

I quite agree hence downloading all the stuff for Belgium and Germany, completing forms and uploading them back to the authorities, only thing I’m unsure of is where to get a test in Belgium to re enter France

The belgian covid website has a list of all testing providers but most pharmarcies also do them. Prices are fixed and capped not sure for lateral flow but pcr is eur44.40.

If you are coming from Belgium back into France would you need one as it is EU to EU plus not checks on the border anyway.

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[Aireworth]

Was not able to copy in full however the most salient but you can find it in the BMJ list.
Use your own best judgement.
Mike Gill, former regional director of public health for the South East England region, said, “This letter has emerged as [the education secretary] Gavin Williamson has announced the introduction of widespread testing in schools with the statement, ‘This expansion of testing into schools and colleges will ensure more certainty for children and parents and everyone working so hard in education.’

“Williamson’s statement was bad enough on its own, since it comes across as yet another egregious display of not being guided by science. The last thing anybody should be encouraged to entertain after an Innova test result, whether positive or negative, is certainty, let alone ‘more’ of it.

“Put alongside the very welcome position taken by Lord Bethell in his letter, it becomes impossible to use the word ‘coherent’ in the context of current government approaches to policy development and implementation.”

The BMJ did not receive a response to a request for clarification from Lord Bethell.

But it depends what you're try to achieve with your lateral flow test. If you believe that catching any positive ( and lateral flow tests will catch 80-90% of those who have covid at the time when they are shedding it and thus infectious), then lateral flow tests are an effective tool. If you believe that a false negative lateral flow gives reassurance to people to do things they otherwise wouldn't do then they shouldn't be used.
It looks very much like the current government approach is the first of these two beliefs - they're happy with a reduction in spreading the lateral flow tests result in and not looking for 100% control. To me its not surprising there are others with a different view.

 

[PhilandMena]

Just pulled this off the French & UK Government website. You would think they be up to speed with our media reports. Shocking performance.

2) You wish to enter French national territory​

2.1 Traffic regime​

If you are vaccinated , entry into metropolitan territory is not subject to any restriction.

If you are not vaccinated , you must produce a compelling reason to enter metropolitan territory. The indicative list of compelling reasons appears on the certificate of entry into metropolitan territory downloadable below.

Marriage in France constitutes an imperative reason, allowing entry into the territory within the framework of the sanitary measures in force. It is up to the third-country national to check whether he must apply for a visa to enter France in this context. To this end, the applicant may request the issuance of a short-stay visa, or a long-stay visa, if he can, moreover, claim it for one of the reasons and under the conditions provided for in Articles L. 312. -2 to L. 312-4 of the code on the entry and stay of foreigners and the right of asylum. It is up to him to check on the France visa website the type of visa corresponding to his situation.

Certificate of entry into mainland France:​

2.2. Health control measures​

If you are vaccinated , you only need to present proof of vaccination status and a sworn statement attesting to the absence of symptoms of covid-19 infection and contact with a confirmed case of covid-19.

If you are not vaccinated , you must present a negative PCR test less than 72 hours before departure or a negative antigen test less than 48 hours before departure to the transport company and border control authorities. . If you are from the UK and are not vaccinated, you must have a PCR or antigen test within 24 hours. The departure of the first flight is taken into account in the event of a connecting trip. Children under the age of twelve are exempt from testing.

Depending on your country of origin, you may be subject to screening on arrival for which you are asked, in order to facilitate administrative procedures, to complete the form available at the following address: https: / /passager.serveureos.org

You must also present:

• a sworn statement attesting to the absence of symptoms of covid-19 infection and contact with a confirmed case of covid-19;
• a sworn undertaking to undergo the antigen test or the biological examination which will be carried out on arrival in mainland France;
• a pledge on honor to self-isolate for seven days and a pledge on honor to undergo a biological virological screening (PCR) at the end of the isolation period.

Commitment on honor:​

Their link for those who want to check themselves. https://www.interieur.gouv.fr/Actualites/L-actu-du-Ministere/Attestation-de-deplacement-et-de-voyage

Also the link to the UK Gov travel advice, which states the following as of this morning.


Travellers who are fully vaccinated do not need an essential reason to travel to France and do not need to self-isolate on arrival. Fully vaccinated travellers no longer need to present evidence of a negative test result before travel. Fully vaccinated travellers will need to present the following documents:

• a completed ‘sworn statement’ (déclaration sur l’honneur) form self-certifying they are not suffering from symptoms associated with coronavirus and have not been in contact with confirmed cases in the preceding fortnight. This can be found on the French government’s website
• proof of vaccination status

Entry requirements - France travel advice

Latest FCDO travel advice for France including on entry requirements, safety and security and local laws and customs.

www.gov.uk

 

[yodeli]

Thanks, but to be honest, the hassle of arranging tests to be carried out in France and, possibly, in Spain takes the pleasure out of it.

Hi!
Haven't you got auto antigen tests in your pharmacies?
Here we have 5 auto tests for 20 euros . Same thing than done by a pharmacist and you have the result 15/20 minutes later.
You can use them for bars restaurants or any other indoor event as long as done within 24h !

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[PhilandMena]

From todays Telegraph. Looks like pre-departure testing is on the radar.

Pre-departure testing not ruled out in UK​

Health Minister George Freeman told BBC Radio 4's Today Programme on Thursday morning that the Government had not ruled out reintroducing pre departure testing.

“We are watching the data very closely and we will update the guidance as required,” he said. “Scientists advise. The Prime Minister, Cabinet and Health Secretary [Sajid Javid] have to take really difficult judgements balancing health and economics.”

Labour is pressing for the Government to reintroduce pre-departure testing as shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper warned the government not to be too slow to take action to prevent cases of the omicron variant entering the UK.

"It is totally unacceptable that ministers are failing to take action at the border when even their own advisors are telling them to introduce pre-departure tests," she said.

 

[orridge]

From todays Telegraph. Looks like pre-departure testing is on the radar.

Pre-departure testing not ruled out in UK​

Health Minister George Freeman told BBC Radio 4's Today Programme on Thursday morning that the Government had not ruled out reintroducing pre departure testing.

“We are watching the data very closely and we will update the guidance as required,” he said. “Scientists advise. The Prime Minister, Cabinet and Health Secretary [Sajid Javid] have to take really difficult judgements balancing health and economics.”

Labour is pressing for the Government to reintroduce pre-departure testing as shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper warned the government not to be too slow to take action to prevent cases of the omicron variant entering the UK.

"It is totally unacceptable that ministers are failing to take action at the border when even their own advisors are telling them to introduce pre-departure tests," she said.

That's pre-departure to come into the UK not to leave which makes more sense than being here for two days and then testing.

 

[billym]

They just haven't said what type of test will be required.

Décret n° 2021-1555 du 1er décembre 2021 modifiant le décret n° 2021-699 du 1er juin 2021 prescrivant les mesures générales nécessaires à la gestion de la sortie de crise sanitaire - Légifrance

Décret n° 2021-1555 du 1er décembre 2021 modifiant le décret n° 2021-699 du 1er juin 2021 prescrivant ...

www.legifrance.gouv.fr

UK-France travel firms still awaiting clarification on new test rules

An announcement yesterday that travellers to France from non-EU countries would need to take a test in the 48 hours before their journey began did not clarify if lateral flow tests would be accepted

www.connexionfrance.com

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[PhilandMena]

Nothing on the French Gov website yet !

 

[maison]

Hi!
Haven't you got auto antigen tests in your pharmacies?
Here we have 5 auto tests for 20 euros . Same thing than done by a pharmacist and you have the result 15/20 minutes later.
You can use them for bars restaurants or any other indoor event as long as done within 24h !

When we have the tests required for entry into the UK they have to be supplied by a Government Approved supplier, the result uploaded, via the internet, and then a certificate supplied by the testing laboratory. We cannot just buy them anywhere, a pharmacist for example.

I think France will probably operate a similar system or will the pharmacist be able to provide the necessary proof for the French Government?

The latest information I have is that the French Government has not yet decided whether a PCR test is required or if a LFT test is acceptable.

Thanks for the information yodeli, you are always helpful with your posts.

 

[georgio]

Good afternoon
I find the eurotunnel website to be very informative and simple to understand

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[yodeli]

When we have the tests required for entry into the UK they have to be supplied by a Government Approved supplier, the result uploaded, via the internet, and then a certificate supplied by the testing laboratory. We cannot just buy them anywhere, a pharmacist for example.

I think France will probably operate a similar system or will the pharmacist be able to provide the necessary proof for the French Government?

The latest information I have is that the French Government has not yet decided whether a PCR test is required or if a LFT test is acceptable.

Thanks for the information yodeli, you are always helpful with your posts.

I have to ask my mum the way it is operated when it's a pharmacist as she has not been jabbed at all ( her decision ) and need a valid pass each time she goes to hospital, which is at least twice a month at the moment.
Mind you...I can also ask baby Axel's dad...HE is a pharmacist and owns the pharmacy ! I now have tests at home early morning when he brings (or Is it"takes" here? I always make the mistake!!!) his baby to me and 3rd jab will be done at home too... Easy job!

 

[billym]

France to Impose Testing Obligation for All Third-Country Nationals - SchengenVisaInfo.com

The French authorities have announced that in order to prevent the further spread of the new COVID-19 Omicron variant, all third-country nationals will be subject to testing requirements before entering the French territory. According to a decree that has been published by the French Government...

www.schengenvisainfo.com

Moreover, it has been noted that only PCR tests will be accepted, meaning that those who hold a negative rapid antigen test or any other test will be denied entry to France.

“The only antigenic tests which can be carried out are those allowing the detection of the N protein of SARS-CoV-2,”

 

[WESTY66]

France to Impose Testing Obligation for All Third-Country Nationals - SchengenVisaInfo.com

The French authorities have announced that in order to prevent the further spread of the new COVID-19 Omicron variant, all third-country nationals will be subject to testing requirements before entering the French territory. According to a decree that has been published by the French Government...

www.schengenvisainfo.com

Moreover, it has been noted that only PCR tests will be accepted, meaning that those who hold a negative rapid antigen test or any other test will be denied entry to France.

“The only antigenic tests which can be carried out are those allowing the detection of the N protein of SARS-CoV-2,”

But when and at what time is this happening??

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[PhilandMena]

This should be confirmed by the Froggy gov website if correct!

 

[johnandi]

Found this on a French gov website (02/12/21)- seems to state you only need 'Proof of Vacc' and 'Sworn statement':

Coming to France? Your Covid-19 questions answered

French people who are living abroad, travelling or returning from abroad, as well as visitors from abroad, will find answers below to frequently (…)

www.diplomatie.gouv.fr

 

[PhilandMena]

Found this on a French gov website (02/12/21)- seems to state you only need 'Proof of Vacc' and 'Sworn statement':

Coming to France? Your Covid-19 questions answered

French people who are living abroad, travelling or returning from abroad, as well as visitors from abroad, will find answers below to frequently (…)

www.diplomatie.gouv.fr

Some members stating rules have changed again since this update, We should know in the next few days where the French Gov are on this issue. Too much speculation and fake news out there at the moment.

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[Grianan]

My wife and I had Covid 4 weeks ago. Fortunately it was mild and we are fully recovered.

One of the things that the Test & Trace person told us when we received our final 'discharge briefing' was that we shouldn't have a Covid test (PCR or LFT) for the next 3 months.

I've not heard this advice anywhere else

We get this advice from where I work (school).

 

[gus-lopez]

In healthcare if any of our staff test positive on a PCR (not LFT) following their isolation they are then not required to retake a test for 90 days.

A colleague of mine who caught COVID, isolated for 10 days, was contacted frequently by Test and Trace throughout to check compliance with Isolation conditions, and was then also “cleared” to return to work at the end of 10 days but with the exact same caveat of not to retest by either method for 90 days for the reasons as outlined.

here if you tested + you had to isolate for 10 days & then supply a - test to exit. One of the boys next door, after his isolation , had to have a daily test for 17 days before he could leave isolation.

 

[gus-lopez]

so if after testing + you are advised not to test for 90 days how can you comply with pcr testing to travel?

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[Captain Yoghurtpot]

so if after testing + you are advised not to test for 90 days how can you comply with pcr testing to travel?

I have no idea, but I would suppose that you can’t!
Madness.

 

[billym]

But when and at what time is this happening??

Saturday 4th December it seems

Décret n° 2021-1555 du 1er décembre 2021 modifiant le décret n° 2021-699 du 1er juin 2021 prescrivant les mesures générales nécessaires à la gestion de la sortie de crise sanitaire - Légifrance

Décret n° 2021-1555 du 1er décembre 2021 modifiant le décret n° 2021-699 du 1er juin 2021 prescrivant ...

www.legifrance.gouv.fr

It seems to be causing a lot of consternation in various places

 

[wp1234]

I’ve spent the last 45 minutes trying to get more information as I’m booked on euro tunnel on 27 December. Going to be a big problem finding somewhere open to get tested 24 / 48 hours before travel . Hoping the UK isn’t included in this new rules ……

We are hoping to get away on the 13 th Dec , just booked PCR with Boots on the 11th ….

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[wp1234]

France to Impose Testing Obligation for All Third-Country Nationals - SchengenVisaInfo.com

The French authorities have announced that in order to prevent the further spread of the new COVID-19 Omicron variant, all third-country nationals will be subject to testing requirements before entering the French territory. According to a decree that has been published by the French Government...

www.schengenvisainfo.com

Moreover, it has been noted that only PCR tests will be accepted, meaning that those who hold a negative rapid antigen test or any other test will be denied entry to France.

“The only antigenic tests which can be carried out are those allowing the detection of the N protein of SARS-CoV-2,”

But tunnel are saying that non NHS antigen lateral flow is acceptable, so are there different lateral flow tests out there ?

2. Negative COVID tests
From Saturday the 4th of December fully vaccinated passengers over 12 years of age require a negative result from a non-NHS PCR test or a non-NHS Antigen (lateral flow) test taken no more than 48 hours before travel (find a private test provider). Passengers may be required to submit to a virological screening test or biological examination upon arrival.

 

[Oscar]

From the Eurotunnel website (as mentioned above)

COVID-19 – LeShuttle

We continue to take guidance from the Department for Transport, and Public Health England.

www.eurotunnel.com

 

[dosser]

But tunnel are saying that non NHS antigen lateral flow is acceptable, so are there different lateral flow tests out there ?

2. Negative COVID tests
From Saturday the 4th of December fully vaccinated passengers over 12 years of age require a negative result from a non-NHS PCR test or a non-NHS Antigen (lateral flow) test taken no more than 48 hours before travel (find a private test provider). Passengers may be required to submit to a virological screening test or biological examination upon arrival.

Exactly the same lateral flow tests but you need to buy the test from a private provider to be able to travel. Can't use the NHS tests lat flow or pcr.

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