Forthcoming changes to EU pet travel legislation

[robscriven]

What we need is an EU agreement for UK passport holders to use existing pre 22nd April pet passports until the the new GB ones are in place. Any ideas how we lobby for this? Easily described for the Border control and ferries.

 

[Kayak Kid]

What we need is an EU agreement for UK passport holders to use existing pre 22nd April pet passports until the the new GB ones are in place. Any ideas how we lobby for this? Easily described for the Border control and ferries.

Join the EU and get your MEP to push for it!

 

[robscriven]

Join the EU and get your MEP to push for it!

Ok, on my list for tomorrow!

 

[DBK]

What we need is an EU agreement for UK passport holders to use existing pre 22nd April pet passports until the the new GB ones are in place. Any ideas how we lobby for this? Easily described for the Border control and ferries.

Not a chance I think. It's an issue which would be lost in the noise of the UK's current plan for a "re-set" with EU relations. There are much bigger issues such as farming and recognition of UK standards which have big financial impacts.

Also, what you are suggesting is for the EU to make an exception for the UK to a rule which applies to every other third country. Not going to happen.

 

[bellabee]

Join the EU and get your MEP to push for it!

But if we were in theEU we wouldn't need to.

 

[Kayak Kid]

But if we were in theEU we wouldn't need to.

Oh Gosh I never thought of that!

 

[Buster1961]

Just had the pet passport signed and stamped in Monaco for a return tunnel trip tomorrow afternoon. Fingers crossed.

The vet has no idea of the rule changes

What a silly little world we all live in

We came back last week no problem used our pet passport

 

[Minxy]

We came back last week no problem used our pet passport

Coming back to the UK isn't a problem as the UK hasn't changed any rules so all EU issues PPs are still valid, whether used by an EU resident or a UK resident.

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[Minxy]

"This follows on from irregularities aiming to get around the health rules applicable to pets coming from third [non-EU] countries.
“In effect, historically, the putting in place of the passport […] aimed notably at facilitating private transport of dogs, cats and ferrets between member states, with it being understood that this was only for animals owned in the member state where their owner lived habitually and had their main home.”

This is an interesting bit. An EU PP is only meant to be used for EU residents travelling between member states, doesn't this therefore man that non-EU states should require EU residents to obtain a version of the AHC to go out and then re-enter the EU ...

 

[maz]

This is an interesting bit. An EU PP is only meant to be used for EU residents travelling between member states, doesn't this therefore man that non-EU states should require EU residents to obtain a version of the AHC to go out and then re-enter the EU ...

No, because there has always been that derogation enabling 'return' to the EU using a PP. In the old regulation it was Article 27, which was the derogation that allowed us to use EU PPs too. In the new regulation it is Article 20. But the old regulation made no mention of residency anywhere, whereas the new regulation rattles on about it in Recitals 41-44.

 

[Lizbiebrowne]

We came back last week no problem used our pet passport

You didn't have any problem getting the vet to enter the worming tablet details into the EU PP then?

 

[ukfetchfan]

Am currently at LeShuttle Folkestone with my two dogs. Pet Reception said they would accept Pet Passports but as I had an AHC as well he used that. Said things were very up in the air at the moment and their guidance could change at any moment. Said it was best to have an AHC to be sure of travelling.

 

[bellabee]

Oh Gosh I never thought of that!

I often think about it

 

[Kayak Kid]

I often think about it

Me too - but only a matter of time until back in some way!

 

[tkk]

We came back last week no problem used our pet passport

There has never been a question of its use for return to the UK provided the eu vet will fill in worming. It is going out that is the problem

 

[OldCodger]

He said it like it was a threat!

From maz ‘s “favourite” FB Group

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[maz]

He said it like it was a threat!

From maz ‘s “favourite” FB Group

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Yes well, Ian Bond was the source of the misinterpretation of the new regulation on FB, but of course he can't/won't admit that so has to try to deflect the blame elsewhere - usually towards MHF. As far as he is concerned we are the source of all evil.

 

[alex n]

Well, we sailed Dover to Calais this morning and were asked if we had a dog on board, gave the dogs Euro PP and told "that is fine on you go". Didn't even check whether he was chipped!

 

[vzac]

Well cats had his rabies booster and all recorded in greek pet passport, with English homework address. No problems with that bit.

 

[BrochMike]

Brittany Ferries still accepting PPs held by GB residents at Plymouth last night.

And no EES at Roscoff this morning.

Can't help but think it's France giving two fingers to EU!?!

 

[DBK]

Brittany Ferries still accepting PPs held by GB residents at Plymouth last night.

And no EES at Roscoff this morning.

Can't help but think it's France giving two fingers to EU!?!

Although there's no EES at Roscoff yet we were slightly surprised on Sunday morning to discover our passports were not stamped. They were scanned so I assume our passport details were entered into the EES system. I'm keeping my BF boarding pass just in case!

 

[15edward]

Had Rabies booster today- all three lines filled!! Rabisin
Our dog was a total embarrassment refusing his worming… but achieved eventually.
Vet bemused that we had a French passport “ you got a French one..??”
No problems filling both AHC and PP
He commented that the politics of PP and AHC issue was nothing to do with him with a typically Gallic shrug
I imagine he’ll be filling PP,without a problem until he’s firmly told not to

 

[OldCodger]

Had Rabies booster today- all three lines filled!! Rabisin
Our dog was a total embarrassment refusing his worming… but achieved eventually.
Vet bemused that we had a French passport “ you got a French one..??”
No problems filling both AHC and PP
He commented that the politics of PP and AHC issue was nothing to do with him with a typically Gallic shrug
I imagine he’ll be filling PP,without a problem until he’s firmly told not to

Rabisin is dodgy unless you follow the follow on protocol exactly. I’ve seen several comments about vets not accepting it unless the rules are followed carefully

 

[Buster1961]

There has never been a question of its use for return to the UK provided the eu vet will fill in worming. It is going out that is the problem

used the back to France today no problem didn’t ask anything like normal had a ahc in my pocket and it stayed there

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[Buster1961]

Coming back to the UK isn't a problem as the UK hasn't changed any rules so all EU issues PPs are still valid, whether used by an EU resident or a UK resident.

Hospital appointment done back in France no problem didn’t ask anything anything

 

[maz]

Rabisin is dodgy unless you follow the follow on protocol exactly. I’ve seen several comments about vets not accepting it unless the rules are followed carefully

Rabisin is believed to be dodgy by some UK AHC providers. In the EU it does not seem to be dodgy at all. However, so far, it has proved impossible to obtain a definitive answer on the supposed protocol.

This is investigated at some length in the following thread:

Rabisin rabies vaccine - important information

TL;DR Be very wary of Rabisin as a booster following any other brand of rabies vaccine. The following issue with the use of Rabisin as a booster has come to light via a thread in the 'Animal Health Certificate' Facebook group. The poster lives in the UK and I shall subsequently refer to her as...

www.motorhomefun.co.uk

 

[15edward]

Previous and only rabies in PP was three years Rabisin

 

[OldCodger]

Rabisin is believed to be dodgy by some UK AHC providers. In the EU it does not seem to be dodgy at all.

It all depends on what the “dosage” leaflet says in the country it is administered. Each country has their own rules but there can be mutual recognition.

If the UK leaflet gives a dosage “regime” vets have to follow it. It’s not optional for them. So if the primary dose over a year old and the follow up dose is missed then the regime is incomplete. The complexity alone could cause the vets to decide not to prescribe it. Let alone confuse owners.

 

[maz]

It all depends on what the “dosage” leaflet says in the country it is administered. Each country has their own rules but there can be mutual recognition.

If the UK leaflet gives a dosage “regime” vets have to follow it. It’s not optional for them. So if the primary dose over a year old and the follow up dose is missed then the regime is incomplete. The complexity alone could cause the vets to decide not to prescribe it. Let alone confuse owners.

The issue is not about the primary vaccination protocol itself - of course that has to be followed for the initial vaccination of the dog. It is about whether the primary vaccination protocol has to be followed when Rabisin is administered as a booster following a different brand of rabies vaccine.

There is nothing in any of the EU countries' Rabisin datasheets that states this as a requirement. Nor is there in the UK one, but (some) vets here reckon that it is the 'industry standard' to do so. Presumably in the EU it is not regarded as an 'industry standard' because of the sheer number of vets who administer Rabisin as a booster with a 3-year validity regardless of the previous brand used.

All of this is explored in the 'Rabisin' thread so please add any further posts on the subject to that thread rather than this one.

Rabisin rabies vaccine - important information

TL;DR Be very wary of Rabisin as a booster following any other brand of rabies vaccine. The following issue with the use of Rabisin as a booster has come to light via a thread in the 'Animal Health Certificate' Facebook group. The poster lives in the UK and I shall subsequently refer to her as...

www.motorhomefun.co.uk

 

[Buster1961]

You didn't have any problem getting the vet to enter the worming tablet details into the EU PP then?

No problem and back in France now hospital appointment done used pet passports no problem I have a Irish passport and put a Spanish campsite address on the pp