Flt strikes again! (1 Viewer)

[tonyidle]

No

The claim was that he overstayed the campsite he was on by 5.5 hours

No one knows how long he was in the aldi carpark

And personally I'm curious as to how the op knew it was the same van.
Did he speak to the campsite owner before he spotted this van parked or after and happened to bring it up in conversation to him.

If motorhome fun is going to play the part of the courtroom and posters the part of judge and jury then it's only fair that the accused have a defence lawyer to ask these questions.

It can't be both ways ..

Either the car park was very busy with no other parking bays the accused could park in

Or it wasn't that busy and by the comment @GJH made above regarding aldis non enforcement of using bays unless busy then he was doing no wrong.

Really if threads are going to be constantly posted on here using the term FLT then they should be required to provide more evidence

It would be required in a court of law before tarnishing someone's good name so why not here.

Personally I'm sick of seeing them

Still never seen a single photograph proving waste dumping etc either.

It's just a popular subject to stir it in my opinion.


The comment I made above was that aldi and Lidl both provide motorhome bays throughout Europe...some you can even stay overnight.

But in the UK I'd imagine they would have to conform with the often mentioned 1960 camping and caravan act
That was my point about UK legislation


I assume both brands are owned by the same company here and elsewhere in Europe so there must be some reason why the dont provide bays here.
And i doubt it's because they haven't noticed a need or demand for them.

In that case he's doing something most of us have had to do at one time or another. I try to use sensible places around supermarkets if possible. I've used the associated Filling Station delivery area, the main store delivery area, and the recycling area, at one time or another. In every case I've checked with reception on the way in & I've not been refused yet. If I can hang the tail over grass I've done so & if I can use two spaces end to end I've done that too. But if push comes to shove or if the car park has plenty of vacant spaces I've done what the person in the photo has done. I'm spending money in the store so I'm not worried about occupying a few spaces for 20 minutes or so. Google ALDI & LIDL - there's an interesting story behind them. They aren't part of the same (or any) chain.

 

[scotjimland]

Like nearly every thread ever posted on here regarding the insulting derogatory flt catchword.

odd.. since that's how you describe yourself..

I never had Facebook before I left the UK in January...I.had to join it to keep in touch with the many amazing fellow flt's I met on my travels that I now keep in contact with and I have invitations to visit all over Europe.

 

[Louis]

this is an example of how you can park sensibly..

this is me parked at Lidl in Stranraer .. 2017 .. my van is 7 mts long .. using only one bay, arse over the grass https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place...23738e1a4!8m2!3d54.8972512!4d-5.0238357?hl=en

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Great parking. But I bet your dribbling on the grass

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[Mikey RV]

At our local Tesco we take up two bays, being 9 mtrs we are at the furthest point from the shop. The only reason we go there is because we know there is always plenty of room. While away anywhere else Uk or Europe we google supermarkets so we can see the layout and access before getting there. And then choice the point which is the quietest and furthest from the shop because no one likes to walk to the shop, so they all try and park right next to it. Never had a problem. If ever it looked like it could be a problem, the wife would go in and do the shopping, I would stay with the camper so I could move it if needed.

 

[irnbru]

I don’t see anything wrong with the way the guy has parked. It looks to me as if he had taken the bays most furthest from the shop. You can clearly see he’s parked in the last spaces at a dead end.

It beats me why there’s only the one photo uploaded and not one showing how empty or busy the rest of the car park is as to where his van is parked in relation to the shop.

As for reversing up to the bushes , maybe he couldn’t. Can you see if perhaps the guy has bikes on the back, or a mobility scooter ..cos I can’t.

If my assumptions are right then I will be one of those FLT s that give vans a bad name.

In future it would be good if a full story could be shown from photos and not just one van.

 

[PeteH]

No

The claim was that he overstayed the campsite he was on by 5.5 hours

No one knows how long he was in the aldi carpark

And personally I'm curious as to how the op knew it was the same van.
Did he speak to the campsite owner before he spotted this van parked or after and happened to bring it up in conversation to him.

If motorhome fun is going to play the part of the courtroom and posters the part of judge and jury then it's only fair that the accused have a defence lawyer to ask these questions.

It can't be both ways ..

Either the car park was very busy with no other parking bays the accused could park in

Or it wasn't that busy and by the comment @GJH made above regarding aldis non enforcement of using bays unless busy then he was doing no wrong.

Really if threads are going to be constantly posted on here using the term FLT then they should be required to provide more evidence

It would be required in a court of law before tarnishing someone's good name so why not here.

Personally I'm sick of seeing them

Still never seen a single photograph proving waste dumping etc either.

It's just a popular subject to stir it in my opinion.


The comment I made above was that aldi and Lidl both provide motorhome bays throughout Europe...some you can even stay overnight.

But in the UK I'd imagine they would have to conform with the often mentioned 1960 camping and caravan act
That was my point about UK legislation


I assume both brands are owned by the same company here and elsewhere in Europe so there must be some reason why the dont provide bays here.
And i doubt it's because they haven't noticed a need or demand for them.

Aldi and Lidle, Allegedly 2 German Brothers who fell out.?


Err.??. OMG. FLT. Got to be me then?. 4 bays in Asda (Portleven). 7 Bays at the Treetops Hotel in Aberdeen. (We had a Dog and the Hotel wouldnt take her) for the Son`s wedding.

Regular use of the overflow car park at Morrisons Beverley with a Car Trailer too. (Half a Row!). (Along with 2 Waiting HGV`s!). Shit, I`ll have to mend my ways!.

Seriously?. What haspened to "live and let live". I do however draw the line at Dumping Shit in Lay-by`s, and dropping Grey water on the highway!.

When Asda Where taken over by Walmart. I asked the Manager of the Big Hull store. "Can I overnight on your car park now then". He had a bit of a Coughing Fit!.

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[Northernraider]

odd.. since that's how you describe yourself..

Yes Jim you will find a few of us tend to do that in order to lighten the mood but trust me when every motorhome that isn't pictured sitting In a dainty row on a campsite is regarded as an flt it gets a bit offensive.

There's some who use the term lightly in humour and there's other it's any excuse to just be downright insulting.

 

[GJH]

Which he hasnt done as there's clearly spaces empty in that limited photograph.

By taking three spaces rather than one he has impeded availability to others.

 

[GJH]

Your the link man Graham

Knock yourself out

So that means your post was pointless, again.

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[Northernraider]

By taking three spaces rather than one he has impeded availability to others.

There's plenty other spaces so unless it's the invisible man he's impeded no he hasnt
And by the quite you posted earlier in the thread from aldi he's doing nothing wrong.

Can't have it both ways theres no visible space in that photograph that van would fit in any single bay because not only is it longer but it's wider so even if he parked it properly in the end bay it would stick out in to the road and would either be right on the white line to one side or overhang it.

In which case he would then cause the vehicle parked opposite problems when exiting the space.

 

[irnbru]

By taking three spaces rather than one he has impeded availability to others.

Yes others that may or may not appear by the time the MH owner is in the shop.
They will just have to wait then won’t they.

I certainly won’t take the attitude I better not park here incase someone else MIGHT come along.

 

[GJH]

Personally I'm sick of seeing them

Personally I'm sick of people doing just what they like and I really not caring if it's seen as giving motorhomers a bad name or not.

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[Northernraider]

So that means your post was pointless, again.

No it wasn't pointless you're the guy who keeps banging on about the 1960 camping act and legislation that avoids changing it.
That's probably why these stores can't offer bays for motorhomes like they do in other European countries.

But of course you've never visited these countries and just claim you don't need to in order to quote your rules and regulations.

From that pic shown that guy is doing nothing but parking to do his shopping which I'm sure Mr aldi gas no objection to because if he wasn't there would simply be 3 more empty spaces in the photo

 

[GJH]

Yes others that may or may not appear by the time the MH owner is in the shop.
They will just have to wait then won’t they.

I certainly won’t take the attitude I better not park here incase someone else MIGHT come along.

We wouldn't park across multiple bays in a car would we? So why should it be right in a far larger vehicle?

 

[Northernraider]

Personally I'm sick of people doing just what they like and I really not caring if it's seen as giving motorhomers a bad name or not.

As I've said many times there's only a few with that crazy view

When I drive my car, bike, motorbike or any other vehicle I don't give other drivers of those vehicles a bad name so why is a motor home any different?

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[GJH]

No it wasn't pointless you're the guy who keeps banging on about the 1960 camping act and legislation that avoids changing it.
That's probably why these stores can't offer bays for motorhomes like they do in other European countries.

But of course you've never visited these countries and just claim you don't need to in order to quote your rules and regulations.

From that pic shown that guy is doing nothing but parking to do his shopping which I'm sure Mr aldi gas no objection to because if he wasn't there would simply be 3 more empty spaces in the photo

What utter round objects.
Aldi car parks in the UK are typically small and intended for customers shopping there, not for camping.
Get over it instead of expecting to be pandered to all the time.

 

[GJH]

As I've said many times there's only a few with that crazy view

When I drive my car, bike, motorbike or any other vehicle I don't give other drivers of those vehicles a bad name so why is a motor home any different?

Only taking a leaf out of your book. As you said a while ago "Personally I'll continue doing what I do now until I'm forced not to and I really don't care if it's seen as giving motorhomers a bad name or not."

 

[Northernraider]

What utter round objects.
Aldi car parks in the UK are typically small and intended for customers shopping there, not for camping.
Get over it instead of expecting to be pandered to all the time.

He isn't camping he's shopping

And the stores are the same size as in Europe

I know because I've personally been in them unlike yourself

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[Jim]

Would the usual bickerers and I can pee higher than you posters in this thread make a note of this url. A special forum just for you. Thanks. .

 

[Two on Tour]

Our van is 7.3 metres long and maybe not as wide as some, but with a bit of thought and luck we can a lot of the time find a sensible place to park in car parking spaces, if not we move and park further afield and bike or walk to were we want to go. If we need to stretch across two pays then we pay for two bays.
We parked in the town carpark at Matlock last weekend and in getting there early it gave us the chance to pick a sensible place to park without hopefully upsetting the locals.
When we park in these situations I normally take photos of our parking position and vehicle around us in case.

Plenty of space back and front for cars to swing into bays and get past.

Walking out of the carpark we came across this van that again had parked in a space that did not encroach on other bays.

When we got back to the carpark, some berk in a tag axled Aautotrail was parked in one of the two coach bays much to the annoyance of the coach that could not park there.



We have quite a long overhang at the rear, so like @scotjimland in his Lidl's parking photo's, we hang our bum over where we can to shorten our length as we did in Liverpool when visiting the terracotta warriors exhibition ealier this year.

 

[irnbru]

We wouldn't park across multiple bays in a car would we? So why should it be right in a far larger vehicle?

Isn’t that obvious ? Cars are shorter and can fit in the bays.

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[Northernraider]

Only taking a leaf out of your book. As you said a while ago "Personally I'll continue doing what I do now until I'm forced not to and I really don't care if it's seen as giving motorhomers a bad name or not."

Yes that was in answer to another one of your posts saying we were giving motorhomers a bad name

I hate to tell you this but go back this thread and count how many have said they have parked like this in a supermarket

You'll find it's more than have said they don't in which case most motorhomers are giving you a bad name apparently

 

[GJH]

He isn't camping he's shopping

And your evidence is? After all, you were the one who said (above) "threads ................. should be required to provide more evidence"

 

[Northernraider]

And your evidence is? After all, you were the one who said (above) "threads ................. should be required to provide more evidence"

And where's your evidence to prove he was camping ?
Or is it now down to the innocent to prove themselves innocent these days

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[GJH]

Would the usual bickerers and I can pee higher than you posters in this thread make a note of this url. A special forum just for you. Thanks. .

Yes Jim, you're right. I apologise to you. As some know, things haven't been easy this past few weeks but I shouldn't let it spill over.

 

[Two on Tour]

Would the usual bickerers and I can pee higher than you posters in this thread make a note of this url. A special forum just for you. Thanks. .

Careful now @Jim if the usual bickerers and I can pee higher than you posters do move across to the CrumpyGunts it will likely get a bit lonely over here.

 

[Northernraider]

And your evidence is? After all, you were the one who said (above) "threads ................. should be required to provide more evidence"

If this was a court of law

The defence lawyer would be asking some very interesting questions

1) where's the photos showing the busy carpark.

2) where's the proof the camper left a campsite 5.5 hours late
3) did the op speak to the campsite owner then go looking for the van to post a picture
Or did he take this picture and by chance meet the campsite owner and show him the disgrace of a man doing his shopping and compare notes as to whether it was the same van.
Or was the campsite owner also in Aldi
4) did the op check with aldi if they objected to the camper van being parked there.

And many more because frankly I find the whole thing a bit sensationalist lets have a go at a motor home not in a campsite or parking space

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[irnbru]

I don’t really see the point in discussing this further.
The flame thrower isn’t even commenting anymore.

 

[pandas]

the recommended parking bay size in the UK is 2.4 wide x 4.8m long. Assuming one does need to grocery shop at some point with a 7.4m x 2.35m (excluding wing mirrors) motorhome the maths are quite simple - you cannot park in one bay. Even if the back were to overhang the kerb is would not fit. I like to think I am always responsible - park in an area that is the most remote, not on busy times, and a max 1 hour shopping therefore I do not see an issue.

 

[Northernraider]

We wouldn't park across multiple bays in a car would we? So why should it be right in a far larger vehicle?

That has to be the craziest response ever.

The largest volume of shoppers to aldi will go in a car so the bays accommodate those.
But I can guarantee you sit in any supermarket for 24 hours and take note of the different vehicles visiting it and around lunchtime etc you will get works vans , lorries , vans and trailers etc etc and they will likely all have to park outwith bays because they don't fit.
They aren't doing it to be selfish, lazy etc ( like a car parking accross 2 bays would be ) they are doing it because they have no choice.

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