First trip skiing in our motorhome and any advice would be really welcome

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  1. Bev Smith

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    Hello everyone, I am really new to this and would appreciate some advice. We retired this year and bought a motorhome and are now looking forward to a winter ski trip to Austria with the Tyrol ski pass.

    Any advice where to stay would be great:

    1. wild camping - are there options for this? and if so, where do you get water and empty waste? We have a gaslow system with an 11k and 8k tank, but aren't sure how long these will last when heating the van, is it better to find a campsite?

    2. campsites - is it possible to use campsites without breaking the bank? It would be great to have facilities and EHU, but we can't afford to pay 20/30 euros a night.

    3. is it better to stay lower down and get lifts up, to avoid getting snowed in and really cold temperatures?

    We have done some summer trips so are used to using aires etc but have no idea how it works in the winter!

    Thanks in advance
    Bev
     
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    Any advice where to stay would be great:

    1. wild camping - are there options for this? and if so, where do you get water and empty waste? We have a gaslow system with an 11k and 8k tank, but aren't sure how long these will last when heating the van, is it better to find a campsite?

    Not many wild camping areas in Austria AFAIK. Gas would last around 4 days I'd guess if no EHU
    You don't say what make your van is - personally I'd use a site with EHU if it's your first winter ski camp.

    2. campsites - is it possible to use campsites without breaking the bank? It would be great to have facilities and EHU, but we can't afford to pay 20/30 euros a night.

    Austria camp sites are above your budget, especially once you have paid for EHU. BUT , the Austrian sites are especially good

    3. is it better to stay lower down and get lifts up, to avoid getting snowed in and really cold temperatures?

    The advantage of Austria is that the valley bottoms tend to be flat, with ski areas leading off, so the roads seldom get blocked.
    I asked in St Anton if the Motorway would be open after it had snowed 1m overnight - the site manager smiled and said - of course!


    Are you dead set on Austria?

    France may be a better bet for either aires or sites (they don't charge EHU) - Have a look at motorhomeski.com - it has some good advice.

    We stayed :
    Camping Le Champ du Moulin***38 520 Venosc France:
    http://www.champ-
    du-moulin.com/fr/caravaneige.htm

    Longitude: 6.119866
    Latitude: 44.98596

    It was a good intro to ski camping. But we are now sold on Austria as the sites knock France into a cocked hat for quality.

    Morzine also has a good Aire down just by the lifts with WC open at the lift station.
     
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    Watching with interest, as we are planning the same this season.
     
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    I second Champ du Moulin. We go at Easter, no snow on the roads, fab campsite, excellent facilities and great skiing in Les Deux Alpes.
     
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    Is your van a properly winterised (essentially German/European) with double floor and all pipework enclosed, etc?

    If not, the advice will be different in order to address the vulnerabilities.

    Ian
     
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    Interested in replies you get too. I don't have first hand experience myself of winter trips in Europe, so here is a speculative suggestion you might look into. When we stayed near Zell am see last summer, we stayed at Sportcamp Woferlgut, which is in Bruck a couple of KM from Zell. The site is 4*, with excellent facilities including a spa but not cheap but my concern in doing what you suggest would be running out of Gas and being frozen in so you were unable to fill up. I recall this site offered a winter season deal on hook up and gas piped to the van for 1750 Euros. obviously you are unlikely to want to stay that long but they are looking for winter trade so it would be worth seeing what rate they would offer you. Zell is a goof resort and within driving distance of a number of others, with Bruck having a bus service into Zell and on a rail line to many other resorts. I would imagine the roads would be mostly clear but not when snow is falling. Worth a look. Good luck
     
  7. Bev Smith

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    Thanks bladerunner, we have an Autotrail Tracker.

    We aren't definitely set on Austria, it was the best value ski pass that's why we decided on that.

    Thanks for the recommendation, I have another look at France.
     
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    Thanks delboyarapaho, I will contact them and see what they can offer.
     
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    Bigtwin, we have tank heaters and all the pipes are lagged but are underneath the van along with the waste tank which is insulated.
     
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    Oops - an English van!

    I'd stick to Spain or Portugal :imoutahere:
     
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    or even England:D
     
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    Did stay at a site earlier this year at Seefeld. Camp Alpin. They had gas piped to all the ehu points. No idea what the connection is but doubtless they can provide this. Not cheap but stunning.
     
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    Hi There,
    We have taken the van skiing every year for the last 5 and would really recommend it.

    We like Alpe d'Heuz as the resort is high (1850m at base) and there is fab runs for all levels. The only difficulty is you have to handle 21 hairpins up and then back down.

    There is an aire at the resort which is about 500m form the main lift area for approx €12 per night. There is no EHU but if you have a small genny and good solar you will be fine.

    We have also went into the 3 valleys and stayed in both Val Thoren and Les Menuires. Both have aires, the one in Les Menuires has EHU as well.

    We generally get about a week for a cylinder but it varies by van. The trick is to leave it on all the time but at a low level.

    Hope this helps
    Raymond
     
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  14. Bev Smith

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    Don't say that BreweryDave and Cranky, I am looking forward to this!!!!
     
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    Ignore the foreign snobs ;);)

    And not all "german" vans live up to what you expect. We have skied for years and previously with our kids. And although our current FRENCH A class rapido is excellent in the snow the previous Bessacar Adria and even our first CI all had their plus points in the winters. In fact I remember being parked next to my two friends with their 100k Burstners in sub -27 our adria stood up to it whilst their fare more superior German vans had issues.

    In order to answer your question you would need to give more info? when you intend to go, can you ski etc.

    We have also stayed at Champs de Moulin and it's quite nice but we would never commit to anywhere until we know the forecast to ensure best snow. We have stayed at Aires, sites and even lift parks. As said, motorhomeski is a good resource to look at with some great reviews.

    With regards Austria, my advice and my own opinion which I am entitled to is STAY CLEAR.... shocking rip off campsites that would be banned in this country although if your idea of an alpine holiday is to sit on a campsite so close to your neighbour that you can sit and hear them pee, then Camping Hell in Austria might be the place for you!!! I like Italy but if snows good then you can't beat France but know where to go to ensure you get the most of it, head for sites close to slopes or decide if you want an aire. We went to a place called Pralognan le Vanoise one year. Loverly site, easy skiing and gorgeous little resort but again check snow conditions.
     
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    We have done both Austria and France and in terms of costs its swings and roundabouts. Campsites in Austria are fantastic, real luxury and passes/ drinking/eating fuel a lot less than France. First year in Austria we were terrified of running out of gas in -15C and paid for it with a huge electric bill. Now we use combination and in 10 days use 1 1/2 - 2 tanks of gas - we have lpg and small amount of electric - often just to give heating a quick boost or charging phones. Austria's lpg network is growing and as most of the resorts are in the valley with frequent garages, lpg better available (use lpg.eu website to find locations) There are smaller resorts, but "wild camping" very limited, but more available than the big resorts. Good sites, Fugen, Solden, St Anton, Mayhofen, Seefeld. Quite a few resorts do allow day parking, but not overnight (Solden does have overnight if you are careful). I think the Tyrol pass includes Innsbruck and there are some stellplatz around there also. Would recommend Camperstop, Campercontact (online) and "All the Aires Mountains, from Vicarious. Overall Austria is fabulously set up for the ski experience, and like you, we are Austria through and through (going in February to Fieberbrunn). Final point, many of the campsites get very booked up, very early and you need to book now. We booked in July and Fieberbrunn was 80% full for the season, Solden needs to be booked by October/ november
     
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    The first time we went was in a swift kontiki although it was not very cold, we had no problems with water etc.
     
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    The area on the German Austria border near garmisch has lots of small resorts covered by the Tyrol pass. There may be more opportunity to wild camp around these but also camp sites with shuttle buses are less expensive https://www.zugspitzarena.com/en. Filter on accommodation, then camping
    I think the pass also covered garmisch area in Germany which does have areas for overnight parking / still plats and camping
     
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    Hi,
    We have skied with our Mh since 2004 and PVC Since 2010 and always in France, which as others have said if the snow its great, then super. However planning to get to italy this year as school hols will give us nearly two weeks at Christmas/new year (OH is a teacher so no choice but to go at school hols, unfortunately ).
    We too has stopped at champ du moulin which was ok, but le griffre in samoens is nice as you have a great ski area only 5 mins from site via gondola. Have been there three times and snow minimal at site. Camping thecle in valloire is good, fab town and site is very reasonable (22euros a night but that's at Feb half term) great skiing,again been there on numerous occasions and there is an Aire further up valley only 1/2 miles and as per most resorts free bus. Due to PVC we've never tried aires, we've tried and tried to get get to a cold spot re pipes and inevitably hairdryer always comes out and has fixed issue ! Camping or grand tetras in les saisies was great , ski in ski out but unfortunately it has now closed , I think the lease ended anyways it was returned to the municipality, however there are two good aires, all of which we've stopped at. Really great place. We have also stopped lower down the valley at praz sur arly at camping le chanteloupe and that was very good too, just means you have to get main lift up each day. There's loads of great places out there to stay, hope you have a fab time, can't wait till we can get to go outside school hols!
    For those who've been to camping Piemonte in livingo, can u tell mE is it a real faff going through verena and le schlera tunnels? Also do u have to pre book, not keen if snow not too good?
    Hope this is of some help and thanks for any replies re italy , helen
     
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    Hi guys
    Skiing from a van can be fantastic
    But you need to get a few things right before you start
    If you plan on doing it just once don't
    You need to spend some money on equipment
    Wilding as such will be very hard work.
    1st you are going for skiing
    Choose a resort that's suitable for ALL of you who are skiing
    Do you all ski?
    Will someone spend more time site seeing than skiing
    Will you need a ski school
    Is cost a factor? Some countries are less expensive than others.

    Wilding will be very hard, not impossible but tough.
    Camp sites are expensive and quite often outside the town/resort
    Aires are an in between some are less expensive than others usually in the heart of the reort
    Some have electricity included in the price others you pay for a few hours at a time
    Some don't have elctricity some let you run generators some don't.
    You NEED GAS 24 hrs a day.

    Not sure the size of Gaslow but you must have enough gas to last the trip that means you will probably need to refill whilst away that may mean a trip down the hill to get autogas FIND the nearest garage with gas BEFORE you go.


    Oh as for hair pin bends.
    Skiing by definition is almost alway at the top of a hill.
    The roads are easy to drive except when the snow is actually falling.
    YES you need winter tyres
    Yes you need snow chains
    Giz a shout if you have any particular questions
     
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