Fiat Ducato 2.2 100hp vs 2.3 130hp and gearboxes

[BaconBonce]

Hi all, I'm looking at buying my first motorhome and am researching older (2007 and later) Swift, Bessacarr and similar Fiat Ducato X250 based motorhomes. I've encountered a 2.3 130hp version with a 5-speed gearbox but I thought these were only 6-speed. Am I wrong or is this van "wrong"?

 

[Lenny HB]

I had a Hymer 2008 on a Fiat 2.3 130 it had a 6 speed box.

I think on the Fiat Camper Chassis 6 speed was standard but may have been an option on the standard chassis.

 

[L' Hobo]

I have a 2007 2.3ltr X250 and that has a 6 speed box

 

[Diabalo]

I had a 2007 Bessacarr E453 on the Fiat X250 chassis it had the Ford Puma engine and was 5 speed, I think it was 2.2L but it may have been 2.3L. The timing was chain driven so no faff with timing belt changing.

 

[swifty947]

I believe that the Euro4 2.2L 100BHP PUMA-engined version (2007-2010ish) was the only Ducato to use the 5 speed MLGU5 box.
All 2.3s have either the MLGU6 or stronger M38/M40 gearbox on the higher outputs and Comfortmatics, all 6 speed.

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[Terry]

They changed on 2006/7 models (x250) to 6 speed boxes. It could be that if you have a 5 speed box on a 2007 you have an old MH that did not get registered until 2007. You can tell which by the headlights

 

[headlight]

My 2006, 2.3 litre has the 5 speed box.

 

[Lenny HB]

My 2006, 2.3 litre has the 5 speed box.

Is it an X244 or X250?

 

[headlight]

Is it an X244 or X250?

No idea but it has the older shape headlights so X244 ?

 

[roadwarrior]

if you are sure its a 5 speed you will pay at the pumps

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[Terry]

if you are sure its a 5 speed you will pay at the pumps

Not so much,I think final drive are the same

 

[headlight]

if you are sure its a 5 speed you will pay at the pumps

Yes I'm sure it's 5 speed.
I average 30-32 mpg which I didn't think was to bad for a coach built with over cab bed.

 

[BaconBonce]

The advert shows photos of a 5 speed gearstick (confirmed with the dealer) but it also shows the 130 multijet badge and it’s the newer model not the X244. That doesn’t add up. I’m thinking someone changed the badge. Pity, it has everything else I’m looking for.

 

[Terry]

The advert shows photos of a 5 speed gearstick (confirmed with the dealer) but it also shows the 130 multijet badge and it’s the newer model not the X244. That doesn’t add up. I’m thinking someone changed the badge. Pity, it has everything else I’m looking for.

If it’s the van you’re happy with don’t let a 5 speed gearbox stop you from buying. All it means is you don’t have to change gears as often

 

[Guigsy]

My folks had a 2007 x250 with a 100bhp engine and a 5 speed. It was a 5.4m PVC Autocruise Jazz, so a relatively small van. They didn't complain about it.

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[Emmit]

When the X250 was first introduced it had problems with a shudder when in reverse (up an incline)

Could it be that the 6 speed was an amendment to a 5 speed box that was originally fittes.

The X244 was fitted with a 2.8 engine and had a 5 speed box.

Edit.

Just found this on Wiki;

This is specifically for the 3rd Gen. Ducato, introduced in 2006 (X250)

Engine	Petrol: 3.6 L Pentastar V6 24V (2014-2021) 3.6 L Pentastar Upgrade V6 24V (2022-present) Petrol CNG: 3.0 L Iveco F1C I4 16V Diesel: 2.2 L ZSD I4 16V (until 2011) 2.0 L PSA DW10 FU I4 16V 2.2 L PSA DW12 RU I4 16V 2.0 L Multijet 250 I4 16V (starting from 2011) 2.3 L Iveco F1A I4 16V 3.0 L Iveco F1C I4 16V
Electric motor	90 kW and 280 Nm synchronous permanent magnet motor (E-Ducato)
Transmission	6-speed GM M40 manual 6-speed Chrysler 62TE automatic 9-speed ZF 9HP48 automatic
Battery	3 modules (47kWh) or 5 modules (79kWh) lithium-ion (E-Ducato)

 

[Guigsy]

From what I can find for the x250, the 5 speed was only available on 100bhp engines?

 

[Lenny HB]

No idea but it has the older shape headlights so X244 ?

Yep X244, X250 came out in 2006 but don't think there were any conversions on them until 2007.