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I have the Fiat 2.8 turbo diesel in my 2000 Hymer 754. How do I tell whether its a 2.8 tdi or a 2.8 jtd. What is the difference and how can I tell which one it is.
 
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the jtd is common rail direct injection the other is direct injection only
 

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Idtd like has ours doesn't require preheaters, and it starts immediately with no clattering , you don't have to wait for the preheater light to go out. Excellent, tough engine with plenty of torque.There's practically nothing to see under the bonnet.
At year 2000 you may well have this engine , I think it was only used for 2 years. Our's is 2001.
 

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This may help:

First generation Fiat Ducato ran from 1981 to 1993.
In diesel format it was mainly 2.5 (non-turbo U25/651), or 2.5 TD (U25/661).


Second generation Ducato: two sub-types; pre and post facelift:

Type X230 (pre-facelift), was made from 1994 to about March 2002.

The gearbox was modified at about (but not exactly) the same time as the model facelift came in....so there are just a few post-facelift examples with the early gearbox, and possibly a few pre-facelift models with the later gearbox.


On the X230 models reverse gear selection is to the right and down, by 4th gear.


The second generation post-facelift X244 model production ran from about April 2002 to 2006.....reverse gear is left and up, by 1st.


Second generation Ducato 2.8 diesel engine types:
The earlier (first) version of the 2.8 litre diesel engine was called “idtd” (Injection Direct Turbo Diesel) and also “TDI” (Turbo Direct Injection).
It had a non-common-rail, mechanically driven fuel injection system.
It was produced from 1994 to 1999. There is no “S” at the end of the engine type code for this 2.8 litre idtd/TDI engine: 8140.43

It was superceded by the “JTD” (uni-Jet Turbo Diesel) engine, which has an electronically controlled ( ECU) common rail fuel injection. Engine type code has an “S” added: 8140.43S.

The 2.8 litre JTD engine was fitted from 1999 to 2006.



Third generation Ducato, type X250, ran from 2006 to present.
Fitted with 6 speed gearbox (6th gear is actually an extra ratio between old 4th and 5th)



Ours motorhome is a year 2001 X230 2.8 JTD: the actual model in Fiat database is “232”

Fitted with the 1999-to-2003, Euro 3 compliant, 2.8JTD SOHC “SOFIM” common rail direct injection engine made by IVECO.

Engine type code is 8140.43S
Engine power is 128PS, 127bhp, 94KW, at 3,600 rpm.
 
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Was that post above from your own knowledge or copied from somewhere?

If your own, I know where to come if I have any need for info, although at home we have a very good Commercial vehicle worksho 1km away, but we motorhomers tour.

When I chose our Arto(2003) with its 2.8Jtd I did not give a lot of attention to the engine type, but since then and reading a lot, I have realised that I am very satisfied with the type of design. It is relatively simple, compared with some more recent engines which are trying to reach Euro 5-6 with gizmos, but has an ECU which allowed me to have it re-mapped to overcome the power/high 5th gear problem.

Only had one engine defect - oil transmitter failure. It was in Germany so not easy to talk through - in retrospect I should have got them to wash it and blow it through before changeing it, after all it is only a pressure switch.

Geoff

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It's just info that I've gathered over the years of owning and working on Fiat Ducato motorhomes.
I've had three of my own now, of varying vintages....a 2.5 non-turbo diesel (slow as a sloth trapped in a glacier), a 2.5TD, and a 2.8JTD.

I really really rate the 2.8 JTD.
More or less bulletproof; wonderfully simple; very little to go wrong, spares dead cheap and available all over Europe, servicing easy peasy, and just chugs along forever if looked after. Every garage mechanic across Europe can probably do anything on them. Breakers yards are full of secondhand parts.
No expensive or highly nickable Catalytic converter; no DPF to block up, no fancy canbus, no complexity in the ecu with limp mode that engages as soon as a butterfly lands on the bonnet.

Of course it's not fast. It's an old mechanical lump pushing a big box with the aerodynamics of a housebrick. If you want fast, buy a sports car.
If you want sophisticated, pay £60k of more for a shiny new thing with Euro 5 or 6 and complex electronic wizardry leaking from every fault code.
 

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I really really rate the 2.8 JTD.
More or less bulletproof; wonderfully simple; very little to go wrong, spares dead cheap and available all over Europe, servicing easy peasy, and just chugs along forever if looked after. Every garage mechanic across Europe can probably do anything on them. Breakers yards are full of secondhand parts.
No expensive or highly nickable Catalytic converter; no DPF to block up, no fancy canbus, no complexity in the ecu with limp mode that engages as soon as a butterfly lands on the bonnet.
You mean 2.8 i.d Td?

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just look at the injector pump if it has a cable it's the iTD also look at the top of the injectors if you can see the hex bolt directly screwed on to the injector with no electronics its iTD
but it being 2000 its a good chance its the 2.8 iTD
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When we bought our 'van (see left) we did not have the knowledge to understand the minutiae of engines fitted to Fiats.
As a result we have a Late September 2007 first Registered 'van, fitted with the 2.8JTD engine.

I suppose what I'm highlighting is that the 'cutoff' date for the Fiat 2.8 lump is not necessarily 2006. Certain manufacturers were that besotted with turning out the X250 front end fitted with 'Juddergate' 2.3 engines in 2006 that some X244 2.8 front ends were left behind. (THANK GOD!!!)

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When we bought our 'van (see left) we did not have the knowledge to understand the minutiae of engines fitted to Fiats.
As a result we have a Late September 2007 first Registered 'van, fitted with the 2.8JTD engine.



I suppose what I'm highlighting is that the 'cutoff' date for the Fiat 2.8 lump is not necessarily 2006.
Certain manufacturers were that besotted with turning out the X250 front end fitted with 'Juddergate' 2.3 engines in 2006 that some X244 2.8 front ends were left behind. (THANK GOD!!!)


Yes. Don't confuse the date of chassis cab manufacture with the often much later date that the converter who then bought that chassis cab added the body on the top/ back; and then the further often again much later date that the more completed and retail-sold motorhome was first registered for road use.

What you've got is a chassis cab including all engine etc mechanicals made by Fiat in 2006.
That was bought by your converter then, but by the time they'd got a specific sales order and turned it into a motorhome, and sent it to the retail dealer who flogged it retail and then registered it to the first "owner", the original vehicle (and its tyres etc) was already at least a year old. So a 2007 MH on a 2006 chassis.
 

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Yes. Don't confuse the date of chassis cab manufacture with the often much later date that the converter who then bought that chassis cab added the body on the top/ back; and then the further often again much later date that the more completed and retail-sold motorhome was first registered for road use.

What you've got is a chassis cab including all engine etc mechanicals made by Fiat in 2006.
That was bought by your converter then, but by the time they'd got a specific sales order and turned it into a motorhome, and sent it to the retail dealer who flogged it retail and then registered it to the first "owner", the original vehicle (and its tyres etc) was already at least a year old. So a 2007 MH on a 2006 chassis.


Nearly right @nomad.

Only ours was actually 2005!!! October to be precise. It took Hobby about 11mths to get it completed and then another 12mths for a very large Dealership in Newark to sell it. (Not to us, I hasten to add)
 
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Nomad said(inter alia)

'I really really rate the 2.8 JTD.
More or less bulletproof; wonderfully simple; very little to go wrong, spares dead cheap and available all over Europe, servicing easy peasy, and just chugs along forever if looked after. Every garage mechanic across Europe can probably do anything on them. Breakers yards are full of secondhand parts.
No expensive or highly nickable Catalytic converter; no DPF to block up, no fancy canbus, no complexity in the ecu with limp mode that engages as soon as a butterfly lands on the bonnet.'

I am only repeating it to endorse what he says and because I think it is worth repeating.

It is a pity that the people in Brussels who dreamt up the Euro 5/6 specs did not take into account that it was not possible to achieve the results without gizmos, or cheating in VW's case, and thus complicating owner's life and hitting their wallets.

Whilst I might like an island bed model, a bit more payload and a second garage door, I would not want to forego the 2.8jtd.

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No one has mentioned the rather feeble clutch in either the TDI or Jtd.
:xeek:
 

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I have a Hobby 750 tag axle 2.8 JTD year 2000/01 and the engine has done 30,000 mile is it worth getting the engine :mapped: and what improvements would it make. The performance seems ok to me and I get nearly 35mpg at a constant 55mph on a motorway.
 
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I have a Hobby 750 tag axle 2.8 JTD year 2000/01 and the engine has done 30,000 mile is it worth getting the engine :mapped: and what improvements would it make. The performance seems ok to me and I get nearly 35mpg at a constant 55mph on a motorway.
I would start a new thread. 35MPG on a tag axle, wow.....

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I have a Hobby 750 tag axle 2.8 JTD year 2000/01 and the engine has done 30,000 mile is it worth getting the engine :mapped: and what improvements would it make. The performance seems ok to me and I get nearly 35mpg at a constant 55mph on a motorway.


Surely not 35mpg on a big tag axle van?
 
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Mine wouldn't get that being towed home!:D
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Thought my 2.8 jtd was very good at 28 mpg in unmolested form no little box of tricks
 

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I have a Hobby 750 tag axle 2.8 JTD year 2000/01 and the engine has done 30,000 mile is it worth getting the engine :mapped: and what improvements would it make. The performance seems ok to me and I get nearly 35mpg at a constant 55mph on a motorway.
Is it a JTD at 2001?? 35mpg don’t think so -25 maybe(y)
 
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Flame start was used on the '50s Perkins P3 I had in a Fergie tractor. The more sophisticated version used on the JTD works in the same way though: a small amount of fuel is ignited by a single glowplug & the resulting hot gas is drawn into the engine inlet to encourage starting. My experience with both Perkins and Fiat versions is that it works flawlessly. And there are no glow plugs to seize into the cylinder head.
 

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I did measure it over a 6 month period and 2500 miles of mixed driving. Worst was 22mpg which was urban, mixed driving was 25mpg average and motorway was certainly over 30mpg at a constant 55 mph. Perhaps not quite 35 mpg but certainly 30+ and I did check this as I said over a 2500 mile period, topping up every time and recording litres of fuel put in and mileage done since last fill up. As I said done over a long period and lots of fill ups so it cant be that far out!
 

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