External BBQ point.......How much!!!

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Would anyone like to hazard a guess as to what I have just been quoted to fit a bbq point to my van? I supply the Bullfinch, so the job is the hole cutting, pipework, labour. I'll give you a clue, it's a main dealer.
 
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Far too much I expect, I've fitted two of them now as it's a relatively easy job to do. Takes less than hour to complete.

Pete

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Would anyone like to hazard a guess as to what I have just been quoted to fit a bbq point to my van? I supply the Bullfinch, so the job is the hole cutting, pipework, labour. I'll give you a clue, it's a main dealer.
I don’t know how much you have been quoted, but a kind Funster fitted mine and it cost me a good bottle of Scotch.(y)
 

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I had one supplied and fitted by Mark of Central Leisure who lives in Nuneaton I think. It was certainly less than £200 although a few years ago.

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So a compression 'T', a bit of sheathed pipe, tap if you are lucky, couple of pipe support clips and labour.
Come on @tony_g put us out of our misery!
 
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I don’t know how much you have been quoted, but a kind Funster fitted mine and it cost me a good bottle of Scotch.(y)
I've had one fitted to each of my two previous vans but this one is brand new and I'm anxious to avoid issues concerning the bodywork integrity warranty. Also, it's going in soon for the turbo clip recall so I thought I would ask. On previous occasions the job has cost very little, done by Funster @Ash. This time.....£400. I don't think so!
 

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Depends on how it is piped.. It should be to the gas manifold, with it's own isolating valve..

Labour 2 hours at £95 =. £190

+ materials not supplied set. £50

£240

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Would anyone like to hazard a guess as to what I have just been quoted to fit a bbq point to my van? I supply the Bullfinch, so the job is the hole cutting, pipework, labour. I'll give you a clue, it's a main dealer.
£760 ?
 

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Far too much I expect, I've fitted two of them now as it's a relatively easy job to do. Takes less than hour to complete.

Pete

Wish that had been the case with mine.
I had to work around external skidding lockers for mine.
Took the best part of 3 hours :rolleyes:
 
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Other than time, the only other materials required are..........

Length of Faro type poly pipe... FARO_fi8mm_Poly_Pipe_1_meter__73195.1449248980.1280.1280.jpg

8mm BRASS T COMPRESSION SPLITTER JOIN LPG GAS FUEL PIPE FITTING OLIVES .. s-l1600.jpg

Both items costing less than a tenner.

Pete

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scotjimland

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I just recently did mine..

Materials
  1. Bullfinch gas point. JohnsCross Motorhomes £38.94
  2. 8mm Copper pipe 4 mt. Jackson’s Leisure Supplies £13.90
  3. 8mm Elbow x 1 £1.25
  4. Truma gas valve £14.77
Total £68.86

Tools
  1. 60mm Holes Saw
  2. Pipe Benders
  3. Pipe cutters
  4. Leak spray
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We have one that's factory fit but the engineering dept at the dealer we use charge £75 an hour - OK not main dealers but reasonable but any mobile Approved service engineer with GasSafe would be cheaper and do it on your drive too
 

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whoever undertakes the work, ensure they fit an isolating valve you can reach easily, ideally on the gas manifold and it shouldn't just be Tee'd off an existing fridge supply or run in rubber hose.. Ask these questions before agreeing for the job to be done..
 
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whoever undertakes the work, ensure they fit an isolating valve you can reach easily, ideally on the gas manifold and it shouldn't just be Tee'd off an existing fridge supply or run in rubber hose.. Ask these questions before agreeing for the job to be done..
I agree about the rubber hose but whether it's teed or not isn't important. Separate valves for each appliance is for convenience, not safety. They're there so that other appliances can be used whilst the affected one can be turned off. So if it was teed into the fridge, and needed to be turned off, the fridge would be off as well. TBH in an emergency I wouldn't be on my knees fishing in a cupboard. I'd turn the cylinder off and only then decide whether I could isolate the fault using the individual appliance valves.

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Just to clarify, FARO poly pipe is NOT a rubber hose, its a high pressure autogas pipe, which has super high-quality OEM specification made by Faro of Italy, the 8mm LPG thermoplastic pipe is designed for carrying liquid or vapour LPG to or from an autogas tank.

Pete
 

scotjimland

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I agree about the rubber hose but whether it's teed or not isn't important. Separate valves for each appliance is for convenience, not safety. They're there so that other appliances can be used whilst the affected one can be turned off. So if it was teed into the fridge, and needed to be turned off, the fridge would be off as well. TBH in an emergency I wouldn't be on my knees fishing in a cupboard. I'd turn the cylinder off and only then decide whether I could isolate the fault using the individual appliance valves.

Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations 1998 state

(6) No person shall install a gas appliance without there being at the inlet to it means of shutting off the supply of gas to the appliance unless the provision of such means is not reasonably practicable.

An isolation valve is for safety, not convenience . In the event of the BBQ hose rupturing or leaking and catching fire you need to isolate fast .. unplugging the hose may not be possible without getting burned..

You can argue that the bottle valve fulfils this requirement.. or that if it's fed from another appliance supply, such as the fridge which has an isolator that is ok, I prefer installing with it's own isolation valve on the manifold, in the bottom of a cupboard would be of little use.. Also, when not in use the BBQ point should be isolated..

.. so lets just agree to disagree.

@Tykat

Don't know the Gas Safety regulations or guidance for using Faro poly pipe in a caravan, so can't comment ..

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tony_g
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And all that for gas cooked food

Better using the hob inside

There's only one way to bbq and that's with charcoal or lumpwood
Any other way is just wrong


In my humble opinion of course :p
Well, you'd probably be right, of course but increasingly campsites across Europe, especially southern, are banning the use of charcoal barbecues, as a fire risk. And not everybody wants to cook inside in hot weather....especially grilling oily fish.
 
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Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations 1998 state

(6) No person shall install a gas appliance without there being at the inlet to it means of shutting off the supply of gas to the appliance unless the provision of such means is not reasonably practicable.

An isolation valve is for safety, not convenience . In the event of the BBQ hose rupturing or leaking and catching fire you need to isolate fast .. unplugging the hose may not be possible without getting burned..

You can argue that the bottle valve fulfils this requirement.. or that if it's fed from another appliance supply, such as the fridge which has an isolator that is ok, I prefer installing with it's own isolation valve on the manifold, in the bottom of a cupboard would be of little use.. Also, when not in use the BBQ point should be isolated..

.. so lets just agree to disagree.

@Tykat

Don't know the Gas Safety regulations or guidance for using Faro poly pipe in a caravan, so can't comment ..
I'd still argue that the intention of the Regs you quote is that an appliance can be isolated for service or replacement - especially since (for example) one of the most popular devices for isolating a domestic gas fire requires screwdriver removal of a chromed cap and a screwdriver to close off the gas (as it leaked from the isolation device).

The bottle would still be the go-to shut off device in an emergency because it is always easier to access. I wasn't suggesting the isolation valve should be in the bottom of a cupboard - I was suggesting that the best place to mount it is on the manifold . Which very often is low down inside a cupboard.

But we can agree to disagree (y)(y).

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Well, you'd probably be right, of course but increasingly campsites across Europe, especially southern, are banning the use of charcoal barbecues, as a fire risk. And not everybody wants to cook inside in hot weather....especially grilling oily fish.
Aye I guess ...another benefit of wilding I guess ....if you find a deserted spot ...which can be hard over here lol.
 

scotjimland

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I wasn't suggesting the isolation valve should be in the bottom of a cupboard - I was suggesting that the best place to mount it is on the manifold . Which very often is low down inside a cupboard.

understood.. I was thinking on my van where the manifold is very accessible , just in front of the sink, in full view when you pull out the cutlery drawer.. .(you can see it in the photo) .. if it was hidden away then it would be of little good ..

@Northernraider as for suggesting gas could never be the same or as good as charcoal, I was also a non believer.. until I bought a Weber Q ..

the taste comes from the smoke of the burning juices and fat.. not the charcoal.. would never go back to using charcoal again. ..
I use my Weber twice or sometimes three times a day.. couldn't be arsed doing that would lumpwood or a charcoal barbie.

I use a big Weber kettle at home for smoking brisket .. but that's a different kettle of fish..
 
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Aye I guess ...another benefit of wilding I guess ....if you find a deserted spot ...which can be hard over here lol.
Well, not really....surely fire awareness applies even more in a 'wild' setting. The ban in France, for example, is not specific to campsites, it is a legal requirement in the dry season, everywhere. I well remember a gendarme turning up when I had the charcoal going underneath some sausages on a stony beach on the shore of Lac de Verdon....5 paces away from however many million litres of water were in the lake and nothing within sight which was combustible! He would not be persuaded otherwise and waited while I poured water on the charcoal. The French have smoke spotters on patrol, such is the dire risk of catastrophic fires. The same applies in Spain, I am sure.

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