EU Pet Passports

[maison]

The EU has, today, issued a series of measures “in case of no deal”.

While some are designed to make life easier, agreement to allow aircraft to fly and lorries to continue to run for a temporary period pending new rules, they have announced that EU Pet Passports from the U.K. will no longer be valid after 29th April 2019, but have not said what will be required.

May be scare mongering but it does scare me.

 

[Wildbill]

Never bothered taking the dog could not be bothered with all the BS but have bean very lucky our son look's after the dog but I do think its a uk DEFRA thing getting out of the country wont be a problem but possibly coming back is where it all goes to pooo
bill

 

[Xabia]

Another ‘scared one’ here. So the Pet Passport will be valid until the 29th March but invalid on the 30th- where is the logic in that?

What happens to those people with dogs who have travelled to Europe early in the New Year and won’t be returning to the U.K. until after the end of March? When you turn up at the Pet Passport office at the tunnel are they going to impound the dog?

 

[Chris S-S]

6 weeks quarantine at your expense?

 

[maxi77]

Fortunately our dogs have EU passports though I wonder if there will be reciprocal problems coming back to the UK.

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[DBK]

This is useful clarification from the EU. I have already started on the blood test route with our dog but this was on a "just in case" basis. Now we know it is necessary - assuming no deal of course. More information in this and other threads: https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/foru...update-if-there-is-a-‘no-deal’-brexit.186535/
As far as I know leaving with a dog before 1 April and returning after 1 April should be fine with the current pet passport as it will meet the UK's entry requirements.

 

[Chris S-S]

Mine has as well, so when do I leave Portugal then?

 

[keithchesterfield2]

You don't need a Pet Passport to go to Europe - only to return to the UK

 

[Xabia]

I have emailed my vet in Spain to see if a Spanish Pet Passport can be issued. A lot of local abandoned dogs are taken to new homes elsewhere in Europe and need a passport to travel so I am hoping that this is a way forward.

 

[Xabia]

You don't need a Pet Passport to go to Europe - only to return to the UK

I’m not sure that is correct Keith, this is the statement from the EU:

“EU pet passports issued to owners in the UK will no longer be valid.”

They wouldn’t be concerned about animals returning to the U.K. so it seems apparent that they do require some other form of ‘passport’ but have not specified what they will require in the future.

I remember Junker saying some time ago that U.K. residents would not be able to take their dogs on holiday in Europe if we did not reach a deal.

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[Xabia]

Details here from the Spanish web site dealings with non commercial transportation of domestic animals:

https://ec.europa.eu/food/animals/pet-movement/eu-legislation/non-commercial-eu_en

 

[gus-lopez]

You don't need a Pet Passport to go to Europe - only to return to the UK

Exactly!

I’m not sure that is correct Keith, this is the statement from the EU:

“EU pet passports issued to owners in the UK will no longer be valid.”

They wouldn’t be concerned about animals returning to the U.K. so it seems apparent that they do require some other form of ‘passport’ but have not specified what they will require in the future.

I remember Junker saying some time ago that U.K. residents would not be able to take their dogs on holiday in Europe if we did not reach a deal.

Yes but he means to ENTER the EU the passport will not be valid. If you are already here then to return is not a problem as it complies with whathever the UK want.
My dogs passport is spanish anyway.
Anyone who is here before & returning after the date could just get a spanish vet to do a titre test, assuming a pass then issue the paperwork.

 

[Littlewheels]

We have a Spanish residence and the Dog is a Spanish breed with a Spanish Passport so can’t really see a problem,however, I do know that in Spain and I presume the rest of the EU apart from the UK that the main annual injection for Parvovirus is a annual requirement,therefore, this could be an adjustment to the U.K. pet passport.

 

[Allanm]

Another ‘scared one’ here. So the Pet Passport will be valid until the 29th March but invalid on the 30th- where is the logic in that?

What happens to those people with dogs who have travelled to Europe early in the New Year and won’t be returning to the U.K. until after the end of March? When you turn up at the Pet Passport office at the tunnel are they going to impound the dog?

Probably not, but your dog may not be allowed to travel to the UK as the UK will no longer have an agreement with the EU.

Let’s hope the dimwits in power sort the deal out quickly or revoke article 50.

 

[DBK]

You don't need a Pet Passport to go to Europe - only to return to the UK

However, the passport is where they record the result of the blood titre test which together with the health test check just before travel is what the EU require. I guess a bit of paper from the lab might be valid instead? This needs a bit more clarification I think - what documentation does the EU require to demonstrate the dog meets their requirements.

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[Allanm]

Fortunately our dogs have EU passports though I wonder if there will be reciprocal problems coming back to the UK.

As far as I can see, any EU pet passport, wherever it is issued, will be affected.
Our dogs have both UK and French passports, both say they are EU passports.

 

[Rob Hammond]

We don’t have rabies ,I think ,Europe does ,hence the need for proof,I’m sure it will be sorted once all the blustering settles down

 

[LesW]

We don’t have rabies ,I think ,Europe does ,

Yes, you only have to look at Drunker to see that..

 

[vwalan]

yet you could take dogs to the eu before the passport scheme started.
i took one , but unfortunately it never lived to come back .
my last dog left uk in december 99 ,as the scheme start a couple months later but she did have papers to return.
thanks to tony blair his office sorted papers for her.
what a helpful prime minister he was , great job him and his staff did.
only took a phone call and he was right on the job.

 

[Larby]

You don't need a Pet Passport to go to Europe - only to return to the UK

At the moment yes, come 30th March the EU will require the lab test result but surely the UK will allow the UK dog into the UK with its UK passport as we do now?
Surely the UK will not need to change this for ourselves.
Which oddly means as a rabies free country we will need lab report to go to the EU which has rabies potential from bordering countries ??
Luckily by the time I want to go all will be clear

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[maison]

We have the original Rabies vaccination record, the official blood test results and two Pet passports covering 13 years of visits to to Europe. (We filled the first one).

Now we are told that the Pet Passport will not be valid. However it appears that French, German, Italian etc passports will still be OK. And yes, they do have Pet Passports within Europe.

If there is a better reason to believe that the EU are determined to “punish” the UK for leaving, as it has no real effect on trade, immigration or finance I have yet to see it.

 

[maison]

With the number of British travellers to the EU that travel with pets, that will probably duck out as a result of this, the EU will lose a lot of euros.

And yes, I know that not many people travel with their Pet duck!

 

[bellabee]

Luckily by the time I want to go all will be clea

I hope you're right

 

[Chris S-S]

The Spanish and Portuguese will be the ones to suffer?

 

[maxi77]

We have the original Rabies vaccination record, the official blood test results and two Pet passports covering 13 years of visits to to Europe. (We filled the first one).

Now we are told that the Pet Passport will not be valid. However it appears that French, German, Italian etc passports will still be OK. And yes, they do have Pet Passports within Europe.

If there is a better reason to believe that the EU are determined to “punish” the UK for leaving, as it has no real effect on trade, immigration or finance I have yet to see it.

Not so much punishing rather just another consequence of not being in the EU and not having an agreement on such documentation in place. The UK issued EU pet passports will simply cease to be valid in the EU until a new protocol is arranged. I is a matter of law particularly in Europe where basically unless it is actually permitted it is not permitted where as UK common law tends to permit things unless they are not permitted. The fundamental problem is that there are thousands of cross border regulations that need to be formalised in the case of no deal. There is not enough time to do them all in 3 months so they will have to prioritise things and our pets are not top of the list. Who are the main culprits, May and Davis in my opinion who between them failed to prepare any plan for Brexit and just kept kicking the can along till they got to the end of the cul-de-sac

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[bellabee]

I'm really not concerned whether Spain, Portugal etc lose out on British visitors. I'm guessing that there are enough French, German, Dutch visitors to take up the slack for them. But that has no impact upon my life, or on my dog's life.

What does concern me, is the expense and hassle being caused to us as a result of the B project. Having the titre test and getting a veterinary certificate before each trip are bad enough. However, the worst case would be if our dog had to spend time in quarantine. This would not only be a major expense and inconvenience for us, but extremely upsetting for him. That's why we're taking every precaution to try to ensure that that does not happen.

 

[bellabee]

@maxi77 I'd have given you two 'likes' for your post, if I could.

 

[TerryL]

We're taking our Westie into France on 2 January, then on into Spain and Portugal. At the end of January we're going to Morocco. Sometime before 29th March we'll be returning to Spain then heading home, to arrive early April.

We've got all the paperwork the EU require for whilst we are there and his Pet Passport, which is only needed to get him back into the UK. The very worst that can happen is that we will need to take him to a vet for a health check - which he gets anyway when we visit a vet for the worming check, it's also entered into the Pet Passport. He's not going to get stopped at Calais because that's a UK check, got sod all to do with Europe!

 

[gus-lopez]

We're taking our Westie into France on 2 January, then on into Spain and Portugal. At the end of January we're going to Morocco. Sometime before 29th March we'll be returning to Spain then heading home, to arrive early April.

We've got all the paperwork the EU require for whilst we are there and his Pet Passport, which is only needed to get him back into the UK. The very worst that can happen is that we will need to take him to a vet for a health check - which he gets anyway when we visit a vet for the worming check, it's also entered into the Pet Passport. He's not going to get stopped at Calais because that's a UK check, got sod all to do with Europe!

but won't the dog already have the blood test & part infilled in the passport to be able to return from Morocco, a non EU country ?

 

[Chris S-S]

If they refuse to let my dog back across the English Channel I'll turn around and drive back to Portugal

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