VET EU Pet Passport

A few points from our Pet Passport on 22 June 2021
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I understand your argument, but if it’s purely a vaccination record, why aren’t UK passports issued prior to 31/12/20 still accepted. I can well believe that it could be spite because we left their club, but would they make it that obvious? What is the reasoning behind the concept of 3rd party countries?
Anyway, I originally just wondered whether or not the wording of an official EU statement was causing some vets/countries to hesitate over issuing pet passports to UK residents.
There's no way any vet anywhere is taking their guidance from an EU website - official or otherwise IMO. EU laws are issued in what are called Journals (I think) and addenda to these (sorry if I get the naming wrong) These are then implemented into national law by the national parliaments. If EU vets are following anything they are following what's been implemented into national law by their national parliaments. And not just that, the relevant department will be issuing Notes for Guidance for the relevant legislation and any associated certification. Each country will implement the EU law in subtly ( and sometimes not so subtly) different ways. Here in the UK that's APHA - we follow what they say, not what's written in the EU (or UK ) legislation. That's where I see the different approaches from different countries coming from - France has said no Pets Passport without 3 months residency. Others seem to have said the ID chip has to be on a national register. Neither of these were requirements of the PP scheme in the UK last year ( and I'll bet they're not in the ongoing current EU legislation).
But yes, its very surprising UK didn't end up still being able to issue PPs, as one major reason for the PP scheme coming into place in the first place was to facilitate the movement of dogs and cats into the UK. I'd hesitate to call it spite, but....
As for your Facebook friends, get them to show you where it says anything like what they've found in the actual EU legislation - get them to quote from the withdrawal agreement itself - and then I might take it something like seriously.
 

tkk

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We have today been to a vets near Calais with the intention of getting French passports for our dogs. It was a vet that has issued passports to UK dogs recently and we did check by e mail that this was possible. Unfortunately this proved not to be the case (problem with the translation was given as the reason!)
The actual vet was happy to oblige and got as far as giving one of the dogs a rabies vaccination but when passed over to the administrator for the paperwork to be completed the answer was no - not without a French address. We came up with an address within about 20 mins but not acceptable at this time as we had inadvertently already confirmed we were travelling home tomorrow and not stopping for 3 months.
The upshot of all this is that one of our dogs had a rabies jab that wasn’t necessary (not due until 2023) and no passports issued. The vet acknowledged the confusion and didn’t charge for the unnecessary vaccination!
PLEASE folks if attempting to get a passport check, check and check again.
Similar experience at La mailleraye. I dropped into the `vets on Sept 10 and enquired. Receptionist said no problem with getting passport but no vet available until after wknd. I arranged appt for return journey in 4 weeks and left phone no. in case of any problem occurring in the meantime.
Attended on Oct4. No passport possible, just worming. I was a bit disappointed in view of the fact that I had rung to change time of appt just a week before and could have been notified of the change of policy. I might have managed to get one at Arras if I knew in time. Now will need a new AHC and Irish trip unless rules change again.
Tk

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Mar 27, 2014
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tkk you don’t need an AHC at present to enter Northern Ireland and then travel across the border into the Republic where you can obtain an EU pet passport. I posted a photo of the Irish government’s advice to vets on the thread ‘Ireland, Pet passport success’
 

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I remember posting the following a while back in one of the EU pet passport threads, but didn’t get any comments on it then. It is taken from the section titled ‘Non-commercial movement from non-EU countries’ on the European Commission website, but it needs to be read in conjunction with the whole page: link here

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I think it means that you can bring an animal into the EU from a non-EU country without an AHC providing you already have an EU pet passport that was issued in the EU (as in on a previous visit to the EU). This would seem to give support to the issuing of EU pet passports to non-EU residents, but I would be grateful to hear other people’s opinions on this.
 
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Playing Devil's Advocate, and not withstanding the fact that it's yet more very poorly written wording, it would be possible for a very small minded bureaucrat to suggest that 'before leaving the union' could be construed as 'the union' being it's normal place of residence.
Both my dogs now have EU passports, one issued well before 31/12/20 and the other very recently, but I still worry at the back of my mind that we could be travelling at the whim of of a petty official. Although we always travel via the tunnel, so I would presume the ET employees don't care as long as it follows their company rules.

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maz

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Playing Devil's Advocate, and not withstanding the fact that it's yet more very poorly written wording, it would be possible for a very small minded bureaucrat to suggest that 'before leaving the union' could be construed as 'the union' being it's normal place of residence.
Both my dogs now have EU passports, one issued well before 31/12/20 and the other very recently, but I still worry at the back of my mind that we could be travelling at the whim of of a petty official. Although we always travel via the tunnel, so I would presume the ET employees don't care as long as it follows their company rules.
Now why am I not surprised at your pessimistic take on the matter, Malcolm?! :rofl:
 
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Now why am I not surprised at your pessimistic take on the matter, Malcolm?! :rofl:
I really don't know why I worry. The way we take our holidays it wouldn't be the end of the world if we were refused entry, it would probably only take a few days to arrange private boarding for them. :rolleyes:
 
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Similar experience at La mailleraye. I dropped into the `vets on Sept 10 and enquired. Receptionist said no problem with getting passport but no vet available until after wknd. I arranged appt for return journey in 4 weeks and left phone no. in case of any problem occurring in the meantime.
Attended on Oct4. No passport possible, just worming. I was a bit disappointed in view of the fact that I had rung to change time of appt just a week before and could have been notified of the change of policy. I might have managed to get one at Arras if I knew in time. Now will need a new AHC and Irish trip unless rules change again.
Tk
This is the exact opposite experience to our visit yesterday for worming before returning home. Vet actually suggested that if we had a French address (he said an address of a friend would do) then he would be happy to issue an EU PP. He said we would have to register our dog on the I-cad database & he would have to give a rabies booster. He suggested sorting out a French address before our next visit!

There doesnt seem to be any rhyme nor reason to if/when/who is able to get a french passport.

Think we'll try Portugal for 1 when we go (hopefully🤞) for our winter trip.

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Dec 14, 2020
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I remember posting the following a while back in one of the EU pet passport threads, but didn’t get any comments on it then. It is taken from the section titled ‘Non-commercial movement from non-EU countries’ on the European Commission website, but it needs to be read in conjunction with the whole page: link here

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I think it means that you can bring an animal into the EU from a non-EU country without an AHC providing you already have an EU pet passport that was issued in the EU (as in on a previous visit to the EU). This would seem to give support to the issuing of EU pet passports to non-EU residents, but I would be grateful to hear other people’s opinions on this.
I agree. To me it says animals with a passport issued to them whilst in the EU can re-enter the EU using that passport.
 
Dec 14, 2020
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Playing Devil's Advocate, and not withstanding the fact that it's yet more very poorly written wording, it would be possible for a very small minded bureaucrat to suggest that 'before leaving the union' could be construed as 'the union' being it's normal place of residence.
Both my dogs now have EU passports, one issued well before 31/12/20 and the other very recently, but I still worry at the back of my mind that we could be travelling at the whim of of a petty official. Although we always travel via the tunnel, so I would presume the ET employees don't care as long as it follows their company rules.
That's several jumps of logic to get to that endpoint. Where does it say anything about normal place of residence for PP? An address is only required when the passport is issued, not when its used. You don't have to be the owner of the animal to travel with an animal on the PP scheme. How is any petty bureaucrat going to ascertain where its normal place of residence is?
 
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OK all have read this and much more, heads spinning a bit so need some clarification is possible:

Going into Europe via France in MoHo, need health cert to enter for both dogs?

Have never had pet passport, can I still get one? Son lives in Netherlands currently and will heading to see him first so thought we could sort there?

What's the benefit? Does EU passport last for 1 or 3 years as long as all vaccinations kept up to date?

Once pet passports obtained do I still need health cert to leave UK each time? We are looking at 3month trips next year and future years all going well....

Thanks in advance

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glenn2926

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OK all have read this and much more, heads spinning a bit so need some clarification is possible:

Going into Europe via France in MoHo, need health cert to enter for both dogs?

Have never had pet passport, can I still get one? Son lives in Netherlands currently and will heading to see him first so thought we could sort there?

What's the benefit? Does EU passport last for 1 or 3 years as long as all vaccinations kept up to date?

Once pet passports obtained do I still need health cert to leave UK each time? We are looking at 3month trips next year and future years all going well....

Thanks in advance
Yes re the AHC to leave the U.K.
I would recommend you get EU pet passports whilst in the Netherlands using your sons address for ease.
EU pet passports last for three years (well our dog’s French one does) providing vaccinations are kept up to date.
Once an EU pet passport is acquired then you won’t need the AHC next time you travel.
As far as I’m aware that’s it. Have a great trip.
 
Dec 6, 2011
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Dog will need a current rabies jab to get a AHC.
Then once you have the EU pet passport the rabies booster needs to be done in the EU there after or it will likely void the passport for EU travel.

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glenn2926

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Dog will need a current rabies jab to get a AHC.
Then once you have the EU pet passport the rabies booster needs to be done in the EU there after or it will likely void the passport for EU travel.
Yeah, that’s my thoughts on it too. We’ll just get ours done when we’re in France visiting our son in three years from last month.
 
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So justing checking, once we have the passport we can freely leave and enter UK as many time as we want
Yes, just vet health check and worming tablet more than 24 hours, less than 5 days before return to UK

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