EU finalises deal spelling death of diesel and petrol cars

[Itsmcb]

EU finalises deal spelling death of diesel and petrol cars - Euractiv

European Union legislators agreed to a deal late Thursday evening (27 October) requiring new cars and vans to be zero-emission as of 2035, a momentous agreement that sets Europe on a trajectory to a largely electric automotive future.

www.euractiv.com

 

[Silver-Fox]

EU finalises deal spelling death of diesel and petrol cars - Euractiv

European Union legislators agreed to a deal late Thursday evening (27 October) requiring new cars and vans to be zero-emission as of 2035, a momentous agreement that sets Europe on a trajectory to a largely electric automotive future.

www.euractiv.com

People will just keep hold of their oil burners

 

[Itsmcb]

Yes, they mention the 'Havana' effect.

 

[Itsmcb]

They will need some huge cables from the hundreds of Chinese coal fired power stations to keep all the new cars charged up.
No alternative clean fuels allowed. Absolute total madness.

 

[Figaro]

I hope they know what they're doing

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[Coolcats]

Interesting this will help the smaller producers A dispute around the so-called “Ferrari clause” for niche carmakers was also settled on Thursday evening. Under the deal, lawmakers decided that manufacturers that produce up to 10,000 cars and 22,000 vans per year will be granted an exemption from the interim target. They will however still be required to reach the zero-emission objective by the end of 2035.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

UK has already done the same by 2035

 

[Northernraider]

Yes, they mention the 'Havana' effect.

Yep watch all the classics hit the road.

I've already got a 33 year old van sat there with the aim to replace my current one . Historic vehicle status by 2030 , tax ,Mot and ulez etc exempt

It's the only way around their madness

 

[LesW]

I hope they know what they're doing

There's always a first time...

 

[Jonno1103]

Combustion engines aren't the problem, it's the draconian fuels they run on. There are drop in alternatives readily available which when used with the appropriate filter are carbon neutral or net zero - they only consume the natural carbon in the atmosphere around them.
The new synthetic fuel which will be used in F1 from 2026 will also be net zero... unlike battery manufacture which produces a huge amount of emissions and is very costly to recycle.

You can buy HVO at the pump in Finland today.

Everyone knows that even by 2045 2/3 of all road vehicles will still be running on an internal combustion engine.

Even now with the large variety of electric vehicles available they only amount to 1% of the total around the globe.

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[Steve and Denise]

In their dreams it’s not going to happen! And at my age I don’t really care. Why are us old people running about in Motorhomes even mentioning this rubbish? It’s not going to affect us,
Doom mongers or what

 

[Gromett]

UK has already done the same by 2035

2030 I thought.

Outcome and response to ending the sale of new petrol, diesel and hybrid cars and vans

www.gov.uk

Hybrids can go through till 2035 but pure petrol/diesel cars are gone by 2030. We are ahead of the EU on this and announced it sooner.

 

[Reallyretired]

I suspect that before 2030 the deadline will be moved, possibly following pressure from vehicle manufacturers who see the possibility of a vast drop in sales due to people hanging on to their diesel and petrol vehicles for longer.

 

[jongood]

I wonder what their definition of a van is?

No mention of HGV s and buses/coaches, tractors, motorcycles, off highway equipment......

 

[Phill D]

I wonder what their definition of a van is?

No mention of HGV s and buses/coaches, tractors, motorcycles, off highway equipment......

And there in lies the problem, they continue to talk about cars and switching to public transport.
But you only have to spend an hour on any motorway to see the size of the truck problem.
Which IMHO is a bigger problem than the family cars.

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[EuroTrotters]

Do you think it may be like the greater Manchester cogestión charge ‘

 

[Odd-no-more]

I hope they know what they're doing

That will be the first time

 

[jongood]

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[Greasy Chap Butty]

And there in lies the problem, they continue to talk about cars and switching to public transport.
But you only have to spend an hour on any motorway to see the size of the truck problem.
Which IMHO is a bigger problem than the family cars.

Looks like cars are 60% of the emissions for road going vehicles on this. So still a majority, but still a big chunk missing.
Another reason to try and get more freight moving about on rail imo.

 

[Phill D]

Looks like cars are 60% of the emissions for road going vehicles on this. So still a majority, but still a big chunk missing.
Another reason to try and get more freight moving about on rail imo.

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I wonder how that is calculated, trucks generally pollute more than cars and spend significantly more time on the roads.
If it’s just by total numbers of each type of vehicle then it’s probably questionable.
However, my point is not going to change anything so I guess accurate or not it will not change the policies are made.

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[Greasy Chap Butty]

I wonder how that is calculated, trucks generally pollute more than cars and spend significantly more time on the roads.
If it’s just by total numbers of each type of vehicle then it’s probably questionable.
However, my point is not going to change anything so I guess accurate or not it will not change the policies are made.

Yeah, no idea, just what I found. Cars outnumber them vastly, but as you say, are used for less hours per day.

 

[Mikey RV]

It’s all old news. When I was a kid I had a peddle car that was zero emissions, apart from a little bottom burp every now and then.

 

[Coolcats]

UK has already done the same by 2035

But it’s the EU where the manufactures are based, I can’t think of a U.K. owned based manufacturer

 

[Northernraider]

Yeah, no idea, just what I found. Cars outnumber them vastly, but as you say, are used for less hours per day.

Probably manipulated figures like they do with everything else to get what they want.

 

[PaulyP]

Yep watch all the classics hit the road.

I've already got a 33 year old van sat there with the aim to replace my current one . Historic vehicle status by 2030 , tax ,Mot and ulez etc exempt

It's the only way around their madness

By then they will probably bring out a law saying all vehicles over fifteen years old have to be scrapped, it’s got nothing to do with the environment but everything to do with control and making money.

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[Coolcats]

2030 I thought.

Outcome and response to ending the sale of new petrol, diesel and hybrid cars and vans

www.gov.uk

Hybrids can go through till 2035 but pure petrol/diesel cars are gone by 2030. We are ahead of the EU on this and announced it sooner.

Finland did the same ban way back in 2017

 

[The Wino]

I don't see it as surprising and most developed countries are probably going on a similar timescale. I wonder if the present increase in EVs continues if we could be close to that anyway as the production of EVs increases and ice reduces there's likely to be a big change in the price difference

 

[Orion]

And how long before electric cars and vans are hit with a road (RFL) tax? Some reports I’ve read indicate no longer than 2-3 years before the chancellor wants a slice of the action.

 

[PaulyP]

And how long before electric cars and vans are hit with a road (RFL) tax? Some reports I’ve read indicate no longer than 2-3 years before the chancellor wants a slice of the action.

They can’t afford to lose all the revenues they make from vehicles currently so ev’s will be heavily taxed for fuel and just for being on the road.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

But it’s the EU where the manufactures are based, I can’t think of a U.K. owned based manufacturer

The ban comes in the UK, already announced, whether the EU bans them or not, that's my point.

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