Error 024 Engine management light

[Rudski01]

Morning all
First outing and first hill, loss of power warning light EDC light flashing and message error 024 Pulled over and switched everything off, re started all ok, next hill exactly the same, 4th time engine management light came on but still have normal power.
Iveco 2013 70c17 Chassis and 3.0 engine, google what the error message means and so many variations of what it may be, camshaft sensor, airflow sensor, not looking forward to trying to pinpoint the problem.
Anyone had this issue or better knowledge of this error message?
Got it booked in on Monday for ecu to be scanned, problem is we are full timing as we sold our house just before lockdown, so may be homeless while it’s sorted, I really don’t seem to have any luck with Motorhome’s and bloody warning lights flashing up, at least I’m in England and not Switzerland this time.

 

[chaser]

First thing to try, cost nowt, give it a good thrashing on a motorway or fast road.
See if it cleans it out.
Might do

 

[Rudski01]

Yep heading to Carlisle from Penrith on Monday so will have chance then, thing is I don’t drive like miss daisy anyhow, bloody electronics

 

[Emmit]

I know it's Iveco, and I know it's 3Lts.but, could it be a sticking waste gate which is very prevalent on an x244 2.8 fiat lump that hasn't been used for a while.

 

[chaser]

Yep heading to Carlisle from Penrith on Monday so will have chance then, thing is I don’t drive like miss daisy anyhow, bloody electronics

Yeah but something could be stuck or correded with standing.

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[Jimbohorlicks]

I had an issue with the engine management light on my car. Borrowed a ecu check meter. Easy to do. Advised it was either cat converter, oxygen sensors,. I pulled out the air filter and was going to put a spare back in but couldn't find it so just closed the filter box and retried the ecu meter. Same fault. I took off the negative battery lead for 15 mins, reconnected and everything back to normal. May be worth a try?

 

[Rudski01]

I know it's Iveco, and I know it's 3Lts.but, could it be a sticking waste gate which is very prevalent on an x244 2.8 fiat lump that hasn't been used for a while.

I will give it a look over, if it was a waste gate issue I think it would appear not just on hills though

I had an issue with the engine management light on my car. Borrowed a ecu check meter. Easy to do. Advised it was either cat converter, oxygen sensors,. I pulled out the air filter and was going to put a spare back in but couldn't find it so just closed the filter box and retried the ecu meter. Same fault. I took off the negative battery lead for 15 mins, reconnected and everything back to normal. May be worth a try?

Negative lead is currently removed, I’m on a CL site just outside Penrith and won’t be moving until Monday morning, the engine management light was still on when I re connected yesterday, I suspect that will require resetting, when I hit the road on Monday will be the real test.

Can anyone recommend a good ECU check meter that doesn’t break the bank but can reset engine management lights

thanks

 

[jockaneezer]

If you're looking for power as you're putting your foot down when you get to the hill, it could be turbo related ? Not familiar with the Iveco setup, but if it has a variable vane turbo, the vanes can get stuck in one position and cause an overboost when you call for more power. Can you get your hand on the turbo vane actuator and see if it moves freely. A split vacuum pipe to the actuator can cause a similar problem.

 

[Rudski01]

Have checked pipes and can’t see anything obvious but will give it another looking over, would be nice if it was something as simple as a stuck turbo actuator, have read some nightmare expensive scenarios with garages trying to fix these sort of problems.

 

[Emmit]

"Will give it a look over, if it was a waste gate issue I think it would appear not just on hills though"

Not so with ours.
It came on, especially when changing from 5th to 4th up a gradient @ about 2900revs.
Ours is a 2.8 and130bhp so changing down was no option.
Also, ours had 'sleeping sickness' in that the previous owner had used it very little in the time he had it.
Very similar circs. to where we all find ourselves in right now.
A squirt and a slap of grease has cured it.

I was even told about the prob. by a security guy at Plymouth Dock without being asked. He wanted to make sure I had a solution just in case I had a problem.

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[Rudski01]

Sounds v similar first happened dropping a gear to go up a hill, just need to workout how to get in to see the turbo properly around all the gubbins

 

[Rudski01]

Well had the bonnet up, can only just reach around to the turbo then I can’t see or feel anything, been underneath and the sump cover is blocking access so will just have to see on Monday

 

[Emmit]

I had to crawl under the van(squeeky bum time although it was on huge wooden blocks) behind the front wheels.

 

[Rudski01]

Mines up on its jacks, I would need to remove the sump cover to get into it, so will have to stay put for now

 

[Rudski01]

Ok so a wee update to the above issue, set off from the site we were pitched up on for the weekend just the engine management light on, pulled up outside Penrith and left van for an hr while I went to do some business, came back, fired her up all lights extinguished.
It was only while heading to the guy who remapped 18 months ago and performing an overtake on a tractor it showed its head again, anyway plugged the computer in and no error codes frustrating to say the least, so set of home slightly peeved, gave it a bit of welly under load and hey presto back on, straight around and back in five minutes and left the engine running while he plugged in and error code 0046 boost sensor came up, which points to about 10 possibilities, some I can discount right out.

So after discussion with a few people in the trade
1st job is check is any split hoses although I think this will be fruitless as I don’t have any noise to indicate this

2nd find and remove sensor and check cleanliness, clean and replace, if no joy check cables for corrosion splits etc

3rd order new and replace, if no joy

4th spit the dummy out and take to a proper mechanic

any further steps I have missed? Also need a recommendation for OBD2 reader if anyone has one
cheers
Mark

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[TheBig1]

I have just had this same issue with my Nissan navara, different engine, but same parts. Mine was the suction control valve had corroded slightly and when the engine went to boost the ecu sensed the pressure issue. New part £60+ from Nissan but a bog standard part as used in many engines including those on the ducato and available for £25 elsewhere

The 0024 error is pretty generic to the fuel system though, and I would check the throttle body for sticking too if the van has sat for months

 

[jockaneezer]

You won't hear any noise if its a split vacuum pipe. You're gonna have to whip that sump guard off and check that the turbo linkage is moving freely and if it is and you've not found any splits in the small rubber vacuum hose, I'd be tempted to whip the solenoid valve off, yoke it up to 12 volts and see if it's working. You could probably try blowing through it but I bought one of these crappy sets http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/710-5...0001&campid=5338547443&icep_item=164211751569
from eBay that let's you check solenoid and diaphragm operated stuff.
This short video explains really well how the VNT turbo works and why you get a boost problem leading to limp mode.
If it is the vanes which are sticking, there's a few videos on cleaning a turbo in situ using Mr Muscle drain cleaner that you might find interesting ?

 

[Rudski01]

Thanks for the response guys, had my head jammed in the engine while the mrs revved the engine, I can’t hear anything from a leakage point of view regarding turbo hoses, will have a look at linkage when I get the sump guard off, I’ve taken a photo of what I think is the vacuum control sensor,

But what I’m trying to find is the boost sensor or is this it? I’m fairly DIY able person but once it gets into stripping turbos out I’ll be beyond my capabilities, sensors I can change if I can find the right one, I think I’ll even be able to do the vac testing so all help much appreciated
Cheers
Mark

 

[Rudski01]

The 0024 error is pretty generic to the fuel system though, and I would check the throttle body for sticking too if the van has sat for months

Your right 0024 is generic as in it’s an engine problem, the Ecu Interrogation error code came up with P0064 which points to boost issues.
Cheers
Mark

 

[Rudski01]

Ok identified it as this

PRESSURE CONVERTER, TURBOCHARGER

PIERBURG Pressure converter, turbocharger

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[Rudski01]

Will find the pressure boost sensor on the intake valve also and remove and clean if required

 

[2CVer]

Also need a recommendation for OBD2 reader if anyone has one
cheers
Mark

I've an Autel OBD2 reader that works with all my cars, T5 van and Ducato MH. I've used it to read error codes and then reset or clear the relevant ECU once I've fixed the issue. Try giving them a call on +44 (0) 333 012 99 59 to find the right bit of kit for your vehicle. Their website is https://www.autel.uk/. I've found them really helpful. My device cost about £150, but has paid for itself many times over the last 4 years.

 

[dpsuk999]

I’d put my money on the turbo actuator arm linkage sticking. See attached pictures, spray some penetrating oil on the linkage and let it do it’s business. I have the Iveco 70c21 engine and the first picture is my turbo showing the linkage (if you zoom in).

 

[MC 55 FUN]

Your right 0024 is generic as in it’s an engine problem, the Ecu Interrogation error code came up with P0064 which points to boost issues.
Cheers
Mark

P0064 seems to indicate a faulty E.CM. or oxygen sensor issues :

P0064: Code Meaning, Causes, Symptoms, & Tech Notes

Oxygen Sensors (O2S) or Heated Oxygen Sensors (HO2S) need to reach a minimum operating temperature of 750 degrees F to produce an accurate voltage signal.

www.engine-codes.com

 

[PeteH]

You can hook it up to A laptop. I used MultiECUscan software (For Fiat). but to read ALL the codes and do resets, you need the paid for version, and possibly 2 or 3 Connection leads. but for around 60quid?.

My X250, went into "sulk" mode. The first time The RAC guy checked and reset it. His diagnosis was EGR valve?. which I eventually had to replace BTW Fiat circa 250quid Same thing online 80quid!. Won`t be the same on yours I know.

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[Rudski01]

I’d put my money on the turbo actuator arm linkage sticking. See attached pictures, spray some penetrating oil on the linkage and let it do it’s business. I have the Iveco 70c21 engine and the first picture is my turbo showing the linkage (if you zoom in).

Got to be worth a try before spending any further money

 

[Rudski01]

You can hook it up to A laptop. I used MultiECUscan software (For Fiat). but to read ALL the codes and do resets, you need the paid for version, and possibly 2 or 3 Connection leads. but for around 60quid?.

My X250, went into "sulk" mode. The first time The RAC guy checked and reset it. His diagnosis was EGR valve?. which I eventually had to replace BTW Fiat circa 250quid Same thing online 80quid!. Won`t be the same on yours I know.

Yes the guy who I took it to just hooked it up to his laptop with all the software on giving us the P0064 code

 

[Rudski01]

P0064 seems to indicate a faulty E.CM. or oxygen sensor issues :

P0064: Code Meaning, Causes, Symptoms, & Tech Notes

Oxygen Sensors (O2S) or Heated Oxygen Sensors (HO2S) need to reach a minimum operating temperature of 750 degrees F to produce an accurate voltage signal.

www.engine-codes.com

Was that for the iveco 70c17?

 

[tacr2man]

I would get a turbo boost guage , and connect to engine then drive you will then see what boost your turbo is putting out at what load . I had a 3ltr bmw that would put up em light and go to limp mode , when I put guage on found that VVT was sticking and boost was going to 2 bar + !! . and putting on the light .

 

[Rudski01]

Update, absolute nightmare trying to reach the linkage, couldn’t even see it properly but managed to get a good dose of GT spray on then a bit of ACF 50, then spent another 2 hrs stripping out so I could reach the pressure boost sensor, almost impossible to prise out, its very coked up and I’ll try and clean tomorrow without damaging the pins, after stripping one of the air pipes out noticed the butterfly valve needing a bloody good clean, access to everything is so bloody restrictive you need to be a contortionist to get to anything a few pics, hope I can get it back together

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